How does history progress to a point where anything remotely resembling WWI happens if there's no Ottoman invasion of Europe?
That’s if the Islamic Republic of Iran still even exists in this ATL. The butterflies from the survival of the Byzantine Empire would, IMO, make the world unrecognizable.How would be the relation of the Byzantine Empire with the Islamic Republic of Iran?
The only (and I mean only) way I can see this being possible in the way the OP seems to intend, is a Vassal Byzantines scenario - i.e. The Roman Empire exists in the Morea, that is it - and has been successful in surviving its term as a vassal state under the Ottomans.
Applying that butterfly net - I'd probably say that they'd start off with the Ottomans in the Continental Powers, but when the war goes the way of the Allies, I expect they'd be a prime target to woo - at which point the Morea becomes a major staging ground in the Eastern Med, and the Byzantines join the Entente and are left in the interesting position Post-War of being the guys who have to deal with the Middle East - given Greece, Constantinople, Western Anatolia and at a push the S or N.Anatolian coasts for their efforts.
However, they may take an opportunity with the Balfour Declaration to nip alt-Sykes-Picot in the bud. By agreeing to hold up the Balfour Declaration, and ensure the diplomatic promises made by Britain and France are maintained, in exchange for holding the mandates themselves. (Probably leading to the Romans leading a Federation of sorts, or an alliance network - probably the latter).
All the Romans need to do in terms of getting their hands dirty is solve the Israel-Palestine question before it arises. In this case likely moving them en-mass to some other territory, perhaps a long one between Gaza and Lake Bardawil.
The advantage for Britain and France here is they still basically get to tell the Romans (and thus the Middle East Alliance) what to do, but don't get the direct flak for it. Instead that goes to the Romans. Meanwhile the internal politics of that group would be peculiar.
As for WW2... uh... I'm not entirely sure it'd be started by the Germans, but by some Damn Fool Thing in the Middle East instead. But considering the Romans are basically dependent on France, Britain and Russia - I find the idea they'd be on the side of the Axis peculiar.
Even that seems unlikely, given the effects no Greek War of Independence has on the Ottomans. No Auspicious Incident?
The dissolution of the Janissaries by the reformist Sultan, although in retrospect I don't know that the Greek war of Independence would actually affect it since it had been in the offing for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auspicious_Incident. Point is, even a vassalized Morea will have major effects. Now a more interesting/doable possibility is a Greek Revolt that positions itself as a neo-Byzantine Empire, although you would need a different impetus to the revolt.I don't know what that is. But I can't see an extant Roman empire not being game to entertain the idea.
But the whole scenario is tenuois to achieve in any case
The dissolution of the Janissaries by the reformist Sultan, although in retrospect I don't know that the Greek war of Independence would actually affect it since it had been in the offing for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auspicious_Incident. Point is, even a vassalized Morea will have major effects. Now a more interesting/doable possibility is a Greek Revolt that positions itself as a neo-Byzantine Empire, although you would need a different impetus to the revolt.
How would you make the Greeks revolt, create a Roman state instead of a Hellenic one and still be succesful enough to recapture Constantinople before World War 1 though? I don't think the Great Powers would be as inclined to support Roman rebels, one because they wouldn't be proponents of the Classicist movement in Europe and two because a Roman state would technically have a small claim to loads of Western Europe.The dissolution of the Janissaries by the reformist Sultan, although in retrospect I don't know that the Greek war of Independence would actually affect it since it had been in the offing for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auspicious_Incident. Point is, even a vassalized Morea will have major effects. Now a more interesting/doable possibility is a Greek Revolt that positions itself as a neo-Byzantine Empire, although you would need a different impetus to the revolt.
Better question is: how would a surviving Hittite Empire handle ISIS and the refugee crisis of 2015?
No offense, but this thread is just silly![]()
I know right?We all know that the Hittites would win hands down of course