Byronic Greece, Orleanist France, and the collapse of the Habsburg Empire

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Byronic Greece, Orleanist France, and the collapse of the Habsburg Empire

POD: Lord Byron survives an encounter with marsh fever (malaria) in April 1824.

Royal Dynasties and Pan-Hellenism: 1828-48

- With a more stable position for the rebels following the capture of the fortress of Lepanto in 1824, Byron returns to Britain in 1828. His influence amongst the upper classes results in an official (if unwilling) pledge of British support and troops by Wellington to the Greek cause. As a result of this, the Greek nation declares a strengthened independence in 1831 [liberal Constitution along British lines?].

- The UK holds onto the Protectorate of the Ionian Islands.

- A pro-British Greek King - Leopold of Saxe-Coburg [uncle of Queen Victoria] – marries a French Orleanist Princess (Louise-Marie d’Orleans) [daughter of King Louis-Felipe I of France].

- A French Orleanist (Louis, Duc d’Nemours (1814-96)) becomes monarch of the Belgian state declared in 1830 [second son of King Louis-Felipe I of France]. He later marries Victoria Saxe-Coburg (1822-57) [cousin of Queen Victoria].

- These (above) are two strong marriages, which cement the British and French royal dynasties in the process of creating two new monarchies. Anglo-French relations strengthened

- By 1848, Greece is in the process of modernizing, industrializing, and anglicizing – has its eye on colonial power status.

- With an Orleanist monarch, from 1838 Belgium has become a perpetual battlefield between Dutch and French forces. Belgian government in exile? British intervention?

- Pan-Hellenic Movement, propagated by Byron and his contemporaries, gives an additional boost to neo-classicism and romanticism in the arts, but is it at the expense of rationalism?

A Muted Revolution and the Collapse of the Habsburg Empire: 1848-50


- Orleanist France survives the unrest and outbursts of 1848 with the abdication of King Louis-Philippe I in favour of his more liberal son; Ferdinand-Philippe (1810-71). His first move as King was to dismiss the government of the time, replacing them with the pro-Ferdinand centre-left opposition. This new government, headed by Thiers (Prime Minister) and Barrot (Minister of the Interior), made a number of liberal reforms – including universal male suffrage and a new [Greek-style?] constitution – in an attempt to placate the workers.

- In the Hapsburg Empire, the liberal reforms of Ferdinand-Philippe and the centre-left government in France ultimately forced Chancellor Metternich to resign. With an absence of ministerial expertise, revolutionary activities (more liberal and organised than OTL) spread across the empire bring Emperor Ferdinand back to the forefront. Unprepared for such a role, heart failure leads to the unexpected death of Emperor Ferdinand I (1793-1848), creating a power vacuum and plunging Habsburg lands into chaos. In the following years, the Republic of Lombardy-Venetia [who leads?]; the Austrian Empire (with Tyrol and Salzburg, under Franz-Josef); the Republic of Hungary (with Lajos Kossuth as de facto dictator until his assassination in 1873); Dalmatia; and the Grand Duchy of Krakow (encompassing Galicia), all declare independence, whilst the province of Bukovnia is annexed by the Ottomans, and Montenegro seizes some of its adjacent costal territory.

- In 1848, popular discontent erupts more or less as OTL in the various German states, although, a less extreme and less vehemently republican Berlin situation in Prussia is far more easily crushed. Rather than being scared into promising reform, King Frederick William IV (1795-61) moves to repress the rebels through force, [No counter-revolution = no liberal reforms = no Bismarck] and thus maintains control of the country. The following years see Prussia slowly sliding into an absolutist monarchy, as Frederick William IV gets more paranoid, reactionary and militaristic. Without Prussian support, the pro-unification movement, at least in any recognisable sense, is still-born.

- In Italy, the liberation of the Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia from the dust of the collapsed Hapsburg Empire released the states of Parma, Modena, and Tuscany from the Hapsburg orbit. The new Pope, Pius IX, (appointed in 1846) pledges military support from the Papal States for the newly liberated nations of North-Eastern Italy (no flight of Pius IX). More extreme pro-unification movements, such as that of ‘Young Italy’, are less successful than in OTL. A further spread of moderate constitutional ideals and minor reforms are felt in Italy as were elsewhere in Europe.

- In the chaos of 1848, Denmark annexes Schleswig.
 
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And a map of 1850:

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Surprisingly, your collapse of the Habsburg Empire makes sense. However, Austria had been promoted to "Empire" status in 1802, if I recall correctly (For a gap of time, there was both an Austrian Empire and a HRE, with one ruler). Why does Franz-Josef turn it back to an Archduchy?

Also, one other nitpick:
- In the chaos of 1848, Denmark annexes Schleswig and Holstein.
Holstein is pretty much completely German. I can see them annexing Schleswig (They did try OTL), but Holstein seems a small stretch.
 
Be aware that Montenegro with either Cattaro or Scutari could well be a stooge for Russia and a Mediterranean squadron

Austria if losing its empire would be a kingdom. Consider - Saxony, Hannover etc are kingdoms and Austria would never be less

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Be aware that Montenegro with either Cattaro or Scutari could well be a stooge for Russia and a Mediterranean squadron

Austria if losing its empire would be a kingdom. Consider - Saxony, Hannover etc are kingdoms and Austria would never be less

Grey Wolf

Ah, yes. But it's still an Empire of sorts; it contains semi-autonomous regions of Austria, Bohemia, Tyrol, Salzburg etc.
 
Grey Wolf said:
Be aware that Montenegro with either Cattaro or Scutari could well be a stooge for Russia and a Mediterranean squadron

Austria if losing its empire would be a kingdom. Consider - Saxony, Hannover etc are kingdoms and Austria would never be less

Grey Wolf
Well, Archduchy is a rank that was theoretically equal to that of Elector, created because the Austrians decided they didn't like their land being subranked by the King of Bohemia, who was a Slav. The rank of King and Elector were equated by the fact that the King of Bohemia, only King in the HRE, could Elect an Emperor. So, theoretically, King and Archduke are equal positions.
 
Also, one other nitpick:
- In the chaos of 1848, Denmark annexes Schleswig and Holstein.
Holstein is pretty much completely German. I can see them annexing Schleswig (They did try OTL), but Holstein seems a small stretch.

Now fixed, thanks.
 
Imajin said:
Well, Archduchy is a rank that was theoretically equal to that of Elector, created because the Austrians decided they didn't like their land being subranked by the King of Bohemia, who was a Slav. The rank of King and Elector were equated by the fact that the King of Bohemia, only King in the HRE, could Elect an Emperor. So, theoretically, King and Archduke are equal positions.

Yeah but it won't hold much weight in the middle of the nineteenth century

Grey Wolf
 
I think the Russians are going to be on Galicia like hair on an ape. It would be dominated by Poles and therefore sympathetic to the plight of their brothers to the north. I think that the Prussians could be bought off if they were givven the parts of northern poland they lost during the Napoleanic wars while Russia swallowed up Galicia.
 
Justin Pickard said:
- In the Hapsburg Empire, the liberal reforms of Ferdinand-Philippe and the centre-left government in France ultimately forced Chancellor Metternich to resign. With an absence of ministerial expertise, revolutionary activities (more liberal and organised than OTL) spread across the empire bring Emperor Ferdinand back to the forefront. Unprepared for such a role, heart failure leads to the unexpected death of Emperor Ferdinand I (1793-1848), creating a power vacuum and plunging Habsburg lands into chaos. In the following years, the Republic of Lombardy-Venetia [who leads?]; the Austrian Empire (with Tyrol and Salzburg, under Franz-Josef); the Republic of Hungary (with Lajos Kossuth as de facto dictator until his assassination in 1873); Dalmatia; and the Grand Duchy of Krakow (encompassing Galicia), all declare independence, whilst the province of Bukovnia is annexed by the Ottomans, and Montenegro seizes some of its adjacent costal territory.

Umm, I'm a bit confused. Why would this happen if the Austrians are carrying out liberal reforms?


- In 1848, popular discontent erupts more or less as OTL in the various German states, although, a less extreme and less vehemently republican Berlin situation in Prussia is far more easily crushed. Rather than being scared into promising reform, King Frederick William IV (1795-61) moves to repress the rebels through force, [No counter-revolution = no liberal reforms = no Bismarck] and thus maintains control of the country. The following years see Prussia slowly sliding into an absolutist monarchy, as Frederick William IV gets more paranoid, reactionary and militaristic. Without Prussian support, the pro-unification movement, at least in any recognisable sense, is still-born.

Err, why? Is Prussia sending its armies throughout the rest of the Confederation? With Austria in the state it's in, the Confederation can tell the Prussians to bugger off.
 
Faeelin said:
Umm, I'm a bit confused. Why would this happen if the Austrians are carrying out liberal reforms?

The Austrians didn't get a chance to carry out liberal reforms before the Emperor died. The French, however, had already done so - which gave the rebels something to aim for...

Faeelin said:
Err, why? Is Prussia sending its armies throughout the rest of the Confederation? With Austria in the state it's in, the Confederation can tell the Prussians to bugger off.

Prussia is concentrating on internal stability and counter-revolutionary activities, for now. They are not withdrawing outright from the German Confederation, they just butterflied the Frankfurt Parliament out of existance, and are now taking more of a back-seat role in pan-Germanic affairs (probably somewhat comparable to the role of the UK in the EU today).
 
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The 1850s

With the former Habsburg states licking their wounds, and France and Britain unwilling to intervene in the Balkans, a Russo-Turkish war of attrition in the mid 1850s drags on in the Balkans, which significantly weakens both sides. An outright victory for the Russians in the Crimea is only reached in 1859, resulting in the annexation of Wallachia and Moldavia by Russia.

Meanwhile, in Belgium, a cease-fire agreement of sorts is reached in 1854, dependent on the Dutch occupation of a small area of the North East province, in return for which the French demand a formal recognition of French control over the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, where a Belgian ‘government in exile’ is subsequently installed. The disputed area is proclaimed a neutral zone until further negotiations.

Europe in 1860:

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Redrawing Germany: 1860-1869

1860, with the aid of British arbitration, a treaty to conclude the Belgian conflict is signed, outlining the partition of Belgian territory into two separate states; the Grand Duchy of Flanders (under William III of the Netherlands) and the Principality of Wallonia (under Louis d’Orleans). The French agree to British proposals for a plebiscite for the Luxembourg people after five years of French rule.

1861, King Friedrich Wilhelm IV of Prussia dies after suffering a stroke. He is succeeded by his brother, Wilhelm I (1797-1863), who immediately has to deal with liberal revolutionary activity across the nation. He turns the troops on the rebels, but through a combination of the defection of armed forces to the liberal rebels, and effective guerrilla activity, the three-sided Prussian Civil War (1861-63) is only just beginning. ‘Ethnic’ rebel forces take the city of Posen in 1862, deposing the official administration, and tighten their control over the surrounding areas. When, in the chaos, Wilhelm I of Prussia is assassinated by a rebel gunman, Crown Prince Friedrich (1831-93) becomes a King over a nation in anarchy. Liberal rebel forces take Berlin in early 1863, and the monarchy flees to the Prussian territories in Westphalia. The ‘liberal’ rebels declare the remaining territory in Brandenburg an independent liberal Republic – the Republic of Brandenburg. Westphalia is effectively transformed into a liberal constitutional monarchy, albeit somewhat weaker than the initial proposals. Over the following year it becomes clear to the new Brandenburg administration that the ‘ethnic’ rebels value their independence and liberal, cannot remain part of the Republic of Brandenburg. A plebiscite in summer 1864 returns an overwhelming majority of the Poznan area who wish to cede from the new Republic of Brandenburg. Elections to the government of the new Republic of Poznan are held the following spring. Meanwhile, Friedrich forms a Kingdom in exile in the city of Cologne, in the Prussian territory of Westphalia.

1863-65, buoyed by the successes of the newly independent surrounding nations in the Prussian Civil War and the Habsburg Collapse, a ‘January Uprising’ in Russian-controlled Congress Poland in dramatically more successful. With support from the Grand Duchy of Krakow and the new Republics of Brandenburg and Poznan, a two-year War of Polish Independence is fought, culminating in Russia’s surrender when rumours of a mobilization of the armed forces of the Hungarian Republic are heard by Tsar Alexander II. Russia cedes the territories of Congress Poland to strengthen the fledgling Republic of Greater Poznan.

1863-69, the ‘German Wars’ see many changes as the German states attempt to stabilise the balance of power – there is a dynastic unification of the three Mecklenburgs (butterfly effect); with British support, George V negotiates the union of Hanover with neighbouring Oldenburg territory, Bremen, Hamburg, and Brunswick; Prussia occupies Waldeck; Hesse unites with Frankfurt and Nassau to create Hesse-Nassau; Baden unites with Württemberg to form Baden-Württemberg; and many of the smaller ‘free cities’ and Grand Duchies (especially enclaves) are swallowed, albeit fairly peacefully, by neighbouring states.

1865, Luxembourg votes for unification with the Kingdom of Prussia, rather than France.

After the death of his father – Leopold of Saxe-Coburg – in 1865, Crown Prince Constantine (b. 1839) becomes King of Greece.
 
Conor O'Rourke said:
What was Austria doing when all this stuff was happening in Germany?

Rebuilding armed forces; establishing independent diplomatic status; reparing infrastructure; enacting domestic liberal reforms; construction of an internal political system etc.

Essentially, twenty years or so of 'glorious isolation' in which to reconstruct through internal self-strengthening and low-key etablishment of political allies. Just long enough for people born after the Habsburg collapse, who accept the current state of Europe as the norm, to reach adulthood.
 
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"In the chaos of 1848, Denmark annexes Schleswig." - I don't get this, Schleswig-Holstein already was Danish, it just broke away in revolution for a time in 1848. How does Denmark annex something that's already theirs?

Your maps have Norway as an independent country. But it was unied to Sweden throughout this period.

"... a Russo-Turkish war of attrition in the mid 1850s drags on in the Balkans, which significantly weakens both sides. An outright victory for the Russians in the Crimea is only reached in 1859, resulting in the annexation of Wallachia and Moldavia by Russia." - It was only the Anglo-French intervention that brought the Crimean War to the Crimea. Russo-Turkish wars were always fought on just the Balkan and Kaukasus fronts. How do the Turks get there with their fleet sunk in the beginning of the war?

Frankly I can't see the Poles defeat the Russian army even when united.

Why should the Belgium business drag on so endlessly? If the French are serious the Dutch army has no hope of stopping them.

I was under theimpression that Westphalia was the liberal part of Prussia?
 
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Susano

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No, Schleswig and Holstein were NOT Danish - they ere in Personal Union with Denmark. What do you think the 1864 war IOTL broke out about? ;)
 
Susano said:
No, Schleswig and Holstein were NOT Danish - they ere in Personal Union with Denmark. What do you think the 1864 war IOTL broke out about? ;)
Out of a nationalist desire to liberate Germans from foreign rule. Whatever the legalities of the matter.

Poland and Russia were in personal union until 1830. Did that change the tsar's view as to whom Poland belonged?
 
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