Bush Wins in '92

So I got to thinking about it after I posted and I'm making Dole the Pres. Nominee with Kemp or Buchanan as his running mate.

For the Dem's we'll say that Gephardt offered it to Cuomo. He declines it and its offered to Evan Bayh.

It would be Cuomo offering it to Gephardt.
 
How many Supreme Court appointments would Bush Sr. get to make in his second term?

If Marshall and White retire on their OTL schedules then 2.

Boom: Probably, but different from OTL because there's no GOP congress. No welfare reform, capital gains reduction, balanced budgets, etc.

'94: No.

WTC: Forcefully.

'96: Cuomo-Gephardt or Cuomo-Bayh v. either Thompson or Kemp. Quayle would be shot down by the Establishment.
 
'96: Cuomo-Gephardt or Cuomo-Bayh v. either Thompson or Kemp. Quayle would be shot down by the Establishment.

Of course, this assumes Fred Thompson is still elected in the 1994 midterms in this scenario. Al Gore won't be Vice President, so there won't be a special election for the Class 2 Senate seat.
 
How many Supreme Court appointments would Bush Sr. get to make in his second term?

I thnk zero. Marshall retired in 1991. I remember easing that White waited until a Democrat was in office until he retired. I also read that Blackmun waited until a supporter of Row vs Wade was in office
 
If Cuomo didn't run in 1988 OTL, then I don't think he ever would. I still Dole is the frontrunner for the Republican nod in 96. d Dan Qualye did not develop much of a following during four years as vice president then another four wasn't going to help much. Dole started to stand out on the national stage when he was RNC chair during watergate. q Quaylewas unknown until 1988.
 
If Marshall and White retire on their OTL schedules then 2.

Boom: Probably, but different from OTL because there's no GOP congress. No welfare reform, capital gains reduction, balanced budgets, etc.

'94: No.

WTC: Forcefully.

'96: Cuomo-Gephardt or Cuomo-Bayh v. either Thompson or Kemp. Quayle would be shot down by the Establishment.

Quayle is still next in line, so to speak. That ideology has dominated the GOP since Eisenhower. He's got a huge advantage with the faithful, though I believe he would have created more footage of him being an idiot for us to laugh at.
 
I think Dole get's the nod because Quayle would gaffe too bad in the primary debates and pretty much everyone would view him as a moron. Bush would have probably done the same thing Reagan did with him when he was VP, send him abroad. Although Bush would do it for an entirely reason altogether, unlike Reagan doing it to work on diplomacy.
 
Bob Kerrey of Nebraska vs Bob Dole of Kansas Both men are from the mid west. A GOP strong hold. But Kerrey can win Nebraska, Colorado and the Dakotas. Both are war heroes. Both are looking for a VP from the South. Kerrey to steal votes from the GOP base and Dole to shore up a strong hold. Dole wins most of the South, but Kerrey's health care ideas win him Florida. The rest of the nation goes its usual way. Kerrey wins a close one.
 
Does Bush sign most of the same legislation that Clinton did in his first term:

OBRA (Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993)
Family and Medical Leave Act
Don't Ask, Don't Tell
The Bradley Bill
 
Bob Kerrey of Nebraska vs Bob Dole of Kansas Both men are from the mid west. A GOP strong hold. But Kerrey can win Nebraska, Colorado and the Dakotas. Both are war heroes. Both are looking for a VP from the South. Kerrey to steal votes from the GOP base and Dole to shore up a strong hold. Dole wins most of the South, but Kerrey's health care ideas win him Florida. The rest of the nation goes its usual way. Kerrey wins a close one.

Not sure if that's accurate as a statement. Both California and NJ, now considered Democratic strongholds Went for a Democrat for the last time in 64. So they'd go Republican? If you're running two Midwest/Southern tickets, the rest of the Nation has no normal to follow.
 
Does Bush sign most of the same legislation that Clinton did in his first term:

OBRA (Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993)
Family and Medical Leave Act
Don't Ask, Don't Tell
The Bradley Bill

I'd question those two. As I recall, the Omnibus Reonciliation Act was largely the product of Clinton's personal efforts, and obviously he isn't President here. Also, it contained a lot of tax increases, and after the hell he went through for raising taxes in 1990, he isn't going to be in a political position to do so in 1993, even if he wants to, certainly not to the extent that Clinton did. Don't Ask Don't Tell was the product of Clinton's pledge to end the ban on gays in the military, a pledge Bush didn't make. The ban on gays in the military would stay in effect for the rest of Bush's term.
 
Quayle is still next in line, so to speak. That ideology has dominated the GOP since Eisenhower. He's got a huge advantage with the faithful, though I believe he would have created more footage of him being an idiot for us to laugh at.

By 1992, Dan Quayle was a much better campaigner and debater. He held his own against Gore in the 1992 Veep debate. So, I wouldn't count Quayle out in 1996 if he had served 2 full terms as Vice-President and the economy was doing well.

In OTL, Dole won because he was next in line and the competiton was weak. Remember, after he won the Iowa caucuses, Dole's main competition was the controversial Pat Buchanan (fmr Nixon and Reagn press secretary and pundit) and Steve Forbes (fmr Reagan appointee to radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and magazine publishing heir).
 
By 1992, Dan Quayle was a much better campaigner and debater. He held his own against Gore in the 1992 Veep debate. So, I wouldn't count Quayle out in 1996 if he had served 2 full terms as Vice-President and the economy was doing well.

In OTL, Dole won because he was next in line and the competiton was weak. Remember, after he won the Iowa caucuses, Dole's main competition was the controversial Pat Buchanan (fmr Nixon and Reagn press secretary and pundit) and Steve Forbes (fmr Reagan appointee to radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and magazine publishing heir).

Exactly. Dole was next in line. He was Senate Majority Leader, experienced, and had already run on the 2 spot of the ticket. It was his turn.
 
Dole's only hope of ever gaining the Oval Office was Ford winning in '76. It would've been unlikely that he would've won in 1980, but depending on how a second Ford term went, and his strength's as V.P., 1988 or '92 may have been reality.
 
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE'S, 1996:

Dick Gephardt
Jerry Brown
Evan Bayh
Al Gore
Mario Cuomo


REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, 1996

Dan Quayle
Bob Dole
Pat Buchanan
Tommy Thompson
Steve Forbes
Jack Kemp


DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE:
Dick Gephardt

DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, VICE PRESIDENT:
Mario Cuomo


REPUBLICAN NOMINEE:
J. Danforth Quayle

REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, VICE PRESIDENT
Bob Dole

Cuomo would be a 4th-term New York governor, assuming he won re-election in 1994. I could see him accepting the Vice-Presidential slot on the Democratic ticket in the summer of 1996, since it would only be a three-month campaign. Whether he would run for president in 1995-96 is less certain, because Gov. Cuomo was very indecisive and didn't seem to want to be president badly enough to actually run for it (which fed the whole "what skeletons are in his closet" speculation).

Quayle-Dole is a plausible GOP ticket. Senator Dole was a weak front-runner in 1996 in OTL, and a 2-term VP Quayle would have more GOP establishment backing and be a more confident candidate than in OTL. A good mid-1990s economy would help boost Quayle as well. Dole would take the second spot as a consolation prize...he wanted it in 1988, after all.

I see Gephardt-Cuomo winning a close race, though....mainly due to the public wanting a change after 16 years of Reagan-Bush.
 
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