samcster94
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What is the impact of a War of 1812 where the British win, sign a treaty with pro-British terms, and there is no dispute like OTL???
Florida staying Spanish sounds like an interesting idea in itself.I think the Britishould will realise that in the long run its better to have the US as a trade partner and buttress against other European colonial ambitions than long term rival. Upper Maine is likely ceded to the British, as are perhaps parts of the Louisianap purchase in the North. Some native buffer states may be established but overall the Brits wont compromuse US territorial integrity, though they may force the US to agree never to annex Spanish Florida. An indemnity is likely paid and a fee established for use of the Grand Banks fisheries but neither proviso is crippling.
Florida staying Spanish sounds like an interesting idea.
I still think the US would take it eventually, and I'm someone who finds the idea of American exceptionalism/Manifest Destiny rather distasteful.
Given enough time, and enough distraction, any treatise stipulating that the Americans can't annex Florida is going to be thrown to the wind if the British can't be bothered enforcing it; all the US has to do is choose its moment, and given how turbulent geopolitics was in the 19th Century, there will likely be moments a-plenty.
Still, an America that fails to expand west in any meaningful way and focuses on the Spanish Caribbean is an interesting one.
What is the impact of a War of 1812 where the British win, sign a treaty with pro-British terms, and there is no dispute like OTL???
I imagine there'd be some alliance with indigenous peoples, a fixed western U.S. boundary around the Mississippi, and some land taken for the British.What are the exact terms?
I imagine there'd be some alliance with indigenous peoples, a fixed western U.S. boundary around the Mississippi, and some land taken for the British.
Ooo a chance to use the map
Not my map btw, I just like it alot
Although the Americans were considering ceding eastern Maine, shifting the Canadian border south to cut out the Great Lakes, and giving up fishing rights off the Grand Banks in a worst-case scenario, a treaty giving up the southern portion of the Louisiana territory--well, the US would have needed an especially savage beating to make that a possibility.
What I'm emphasizing is that you almost certainly cannot permanently stunt the USA with a victory in 1812. There's too many other soft targets for them. The more you take, the scarier the vengeful south and rump North will be.
Return Louisiana to who? Spain? They be losing they whole empire and fast as in OTL, or close to it. I doubt they what it, let alone deal with Americans living there.
Yeah. People here seem mainly trying to figure out how the British could cripple America, when the British just wanted us to stop selling sail cloth to Napoleon. Wrong time, wrong war.