British-Soviet Cold War

I created a series of maps (that I never posted) that show a world where there is a cold war between the UK and USSR. What would this world look like and how would this cold war happen? In my timeline Pearl Harbor never happening is the POD which results with the USA never joining WW2.
 
I created a series of maps (that I never posted) that show a world where there is a cold war between the UK and USSR. What would this world look like and how would this cold war happen? In my timeline Pearl Harbor never happening is the POD which results with the USA never joining WW2.

Actually, I have a whole weird little idea in mind for this coming about. I call it the "atomic kingdom" idea, and it could very well get pretty dystopian. It's elaborated on here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...omb-and-no-resurrected-british-empire.428277/ ...but the general gist is that Britain gets more control over the Manhattan Project (Tube Alloys, ITTL), becomes the first nuclear power, and then leverages that due to the threats of an increasingly annoyed US and the USSR to more or less resurrect the British Empire in a new sense, becoming increasingly belligerent, possessive of the A-Bomb, and kind of under a "siege mentality". In such a situation, you'd probably have a UK-USSR Cold War until the USA managed to finish their nuclear program, at which point the UK and US would probably either join with one another or outright create a three-way nuclear threat.
 
Actually, I have a whole weird little idea in mind for this coming about. I call it the "atomic kingdom" idea, and it could very well get pretty dystopian. It's elaborated on here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...omb-and-no-resurrected-british-empire.428277/ ...but the general gist is that Britain gets more control over the Manhattan Project (Tube Alloys, ITTL), becomes the first nuclear power, and then leverages that due to the threats of an increasingly annoyed US and the USSR to more or less resurrect the British Empire in a new sense, becoming increasingly belligerent, possessive of the A-Bomb, and kind of under a "siege mentality". In such a situation, you'd probably have a UK-USSR Cold War until the USA managed to finish their nuclear program, at which point the UK and US would probably either join with one another or outright create a three-way nuclear threat.
Interesting. In a world where the UK competed with the USA would America fund rebels in Africa and other European colonies?
 
I could see that, yeah. Probably also in India if there was still a lot of influence held there.
An India closely allied to the USA is definitely a cool idea! What would happen to China in this world? America has more authority over Asia in this timeline and more of an incentive to expand this influence as well so perhaps they'd fight a proxy war on the side of the nationalists.
 
An India closely allied to the USA is definitely a cool idea! What would happen to China in this world? America has more authority over Asia in this timeline and more of an incentive to expand this influence as well so perhaps they'd fight a proxy war on the side of the nationalists.

Probably, yeah, assuming a KMT victory, it might be interesting to see America push too far on the ROC, causing it to dwell on memories of the age of imperialism, leading to it trying to play the US and British Empire off against one another while getting aid from both due to its role as an anti-Soviet and/or anti-PRC bulwark?
 
Probably, yeah, assuming a KMT victory, it might be interesting to see America push too far on the ROC, causing it to dwell on memories of the age of imperialism, leading to it trying to play the US and British Empire off against one another while getting aid from both due to its role as an anti-Soviet and/or anti-PRC bulwark?
Perhaps. Post-War Chinese politics would be very interesting.
 
I think the immediate post-WWI era was where one can set this stage. Imperial Britain versus Communist Russia was very much like a Cold War in the offing. Ideology is there at least enough. Given a different Germany, perhaps a victory in the 1920 Polish-Soviet War, greater Soviet influence in Persia, China, etc., a British Empire that is not finished by another war with Germany should take on a very similar position to the later USA hegemony and world cop mantel. Perhaps here the French sink into a more revolutionary Soviet alignment, Spain goes anarcho-syndicalist Republic, and so forth so that Britain retrenches into Germany as its bulwark and stays on good terms with Imperial Japan who if it can trade might not go into conquest mode. That sidelines the USA as an interventionist power again setting Britain up to wrestle with a Soviet state once it begins to leverage revolution in the colonies. I can certainly sketch it out but I question how the domestic socialists and left sympathizing elite moderate things or are they swept in a "red scare"? Is a Soviet threat enough to push the Empire together better? With some finesse I think a weird detente cum cold war could be plausibly told.
 
Without a WW1 but with a Communist Russia still happening say by the 20s have a continuation of the 'Great Game' - (which may or may not have actually really happened) in that Imperial Britain becomes concerned regarding the effects of a Communism 'Domino' effect in Asia that might eventually impact India, Trade with China and the new oil wells in the Middle East.

Russia for its part is attempting to do just this!

So for the next XX years Britain and Russia engage in a series of shadowy proxy war each trying to destabilise the others 'holdings' in Asia eventually feeding into the Chinese Civil war and the 'Green revolution' in the Middle east that ultimately sees Persia and Afghanistan becoming a Soviet Puppet, India getting its independence and a proxy war in China with Russian backed Communist on one side and Japanese, British, French and US backed Nationalist's on the other with the Nationalists ultimately winning and China Emerging as the Dominant Capitalist powerhouse that it is today.

For there part the British succeed in eventually undermining the Soviet Union's southern Asian states which kicks off a series of civil wars that finishes with the Central Alliance victory over the Russians in the 40s resulting in the collapse of the Soviet Union into many separate states.

Firing from the hip...how did I do?
 
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