British Reaction to the loss of Quebec

Alright, let's assume that somehow American thinkers and British mismanagement manage to convince the Quebecois to declare independence. In 1776 they join the Revolution under a separate flag and fight alongside the Americans. The Republic of Quebec later wins their fight for independence.

Now, under these premises I have a few questions:

1.) Where are the borders drawn? I doubt the British would surrender their control over the Hudson Bay, but how much territory would they be willing to grant the Quebecois to the north? How far west does Quebec sprawl?
2.) How does further colonization of Western Canada proceed? Does the crown just abandon their North American ambitions and leave the land to the Americans/Quebecois? Do they redouble their efforts instead?
3.) If things go to hell in Quebec, would the British ever consider trying to reconquer the territory?
 
NORTH: I think the borders of Rupert's Land will be the northern boundary. It's a natural boundary (Hudson's Bay watershed) than the small straight-line diagonal boundary the 1763 province had that left no-man's land between it and Rupert's Land.

EAST: Did Newfoundland join the USA? If so, Quebec State's borders will be the Labrador Bay river valley/watershed. if not, expect some squabbling over Labrador.

SOUTH: Quebec settled its Maine boundary in OTL, I'd expect it here, if sooner, as well.

WEST: I'd Imagine Upper Canada's area would become part of the Northwest Territory (not settles yet, remember...) and Quebec's western boundary becomes the Ottawa River like in OTL. this is due to the fact other American states used natural boundaries when ceding western land (VA, NC, and SC used their crests at the Appalachians, NY went west till the Great Lakes, GA had the Altahama River).
 
1) Who knows, but I'd imagine that, at hte least, modern Quebec (minus a strip maybe 50 miles inland surrounding Hudson Bay) would go, at the least...if America revolts at this time as well, Labrador as well heads to Quebec. I'd imagine that with an independent American colonies as well, modern New Brusnwick, Nova Scotia, and the Right Bank of the St Lawerence actually will go to the United States, along with Prince Edward Island. The Right (Southern) Bank of the St Lawerence will likely become a sticking point between Quebec and the US in years to come, a calculated secession by the UK in order to divide these two revolutionary states once that whole honeymoon period here the two countries are simply glad to have their independence wears off and both countries have to get to actually governing and all of that.

2) I'd imagine that now, it's a 3-way Race to the Pacific, with America, Upper Canada, and Quebec all rushing to get as much of the Pacific Coast as possible, with Quebec and the US both trying ot encroach just so as to cut off the Upper Canadian efforts, essentially trying to taper off over time that gap between their settlements through which the British Upper Canadians can push through. I'd imagine they succeed, the two borders touching somewhere around the Rockies.

Now, as for the shape of this Quebec ITL, I imagine that if America goes to war a second time, Quebec will join in as well, and in that peace treaty (whenever it may be signed), the Quebecois manage to get that strip of land around the Hudson and James Bays.

Where things go from there, aside from that race west I mentioned, who knows.

3) Yes, they'll probably try to reconquer it. In what manner the post-conquest occupation might be, I'm not sure, but I imagine that at the least they'll make French illegal, and try to suppress Quebec's identity through dividing it up into a number of colonies further - at the very least. Certainly favouritism towards English-speaking and English-born Canadians for official posts as well.
 
OTL Britian almost gave the Maritimes/Quebec to the US -- till France talked them out of it.
ITTL With a Seperate Independent Quebec, I can see this Us getting the Maritimes, wit Quebec getting Britian's GLakes/Ohio Claims.

Britian then concentrates on it's carribean terrortories, perhaps retaking Cuba and the French Islands during the next European War.
 
How much harder is it for the British to colonize Western America? Does Quebec represent a major problem or is it only a headache?
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
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Monthly Donor
heh?

OTL Britian almost gave the Maritimes/Quebec to the US -- till France talked them out of it.

Where's this come from? And why wouldn't such an attempt by Britain's archenemy simply convince the British it was a great idea to hand them to the Americans?

After all, French and Spanish maps during negotiations proposed more generous settlements for the British, Indians and Spaniards in the west then the eventual UK-US deal that was reached providing for a Mississippi boundary.
 
NORTH: I think the borders of Rupert's Land will be the northern boundary. It's a natural boundary (Hudson's Bay watershed) than the small straight-line diagonal boundary the 1763 province had that left no-man's land between it and Rupert's Land.

EAST: Did Newfoundland join the USA? If so, Quebec State's borders will be the Labrador Bay river valley/watershed. if not, expect some squabbling over Labrador.

SOUTH: Quebec settled its Maine boundary in OTL, I'd expect it here, if sooner, as well.

WEST: I'd Imagine Upper Canada's area would become part of the Northwest Territory (not settles yet, remember...) and Quebec's western boundary becomes the Ottawa River like in OTL. this is due to the fact other American states used natural boundaries when ceding western land (VA, NC, and SC used their crests at the Appalachians, NY went west till the Great Lakes, GA had the Altahama River).

Quebec is rebelling independently. They have no intention of joining the United States afterward. There will be no Quebec State.

I appreciate the response though.
 

Ak-84

Banned
I doubt Quebec would revolt. Remember freedom religion to Catholics in Quebec was one of the intolerable acts.
 
Perhaps then that the Intolerable Acts (at least as we know them OTL) are butterflied away, replaced with a harsher collection that seeks to force Quebec to assimilate with the rest of Canada and the other British territories in North America? Unlikely, I know, but...probably the best we can manage as a POD in this case.
 
I doubt Quebec would revolt. Remember freedom religion to Catholics in Quebec was one of the intolerable acts.

No, the Intolerable Acts opposed the extension of Quebecois government, without an assembly and trial by jury, along with the primacy of the Catholic church, into what we would call the Northwest Territory. American thinkers had no issue with the idea of Catholics around, as such.

I admit burning the Pope in effigy during the invasion might not have been the best idea.
 

Thande

Donor
I don't think it would be seen as a much bigger disaster than the ARW already was. Bad, certainly, but not another level of badness. Losing the West Indies on the other hand...
 
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