British=Prussian personal union

The normal way I assume. After all how else does one contract syphilis?
Infections, via injuries or sexual activity....and my question still stand, when he did got it? he got full emo and try to cut himself and that was infected?
 
Infections, via injuries or sexual activity....and my question still stand, when he did got it? he got full emo and try to cut himself and that was infected?
You asked "how". I believe he got it before he was married. Granted it's only suspected that he had syphilis, it's not even known for sure.
 
Could you tell us when and where he could have gotten the disease though? The young Fritz doesn't seem to have been the type to receive it from the usual spot considering his particular persuasion.

He'd be in his late teens/early twenties at the time of his potential marriage to Amelia so it would need to have happened while he was in the military. But if it was only ever suspected we can more than likely ignore it since that may have been used to try and attempt to explain away Frederick's lack of children. Which we've already discussed before hand as more than likely being for personal reasons, given his feelings for his wife.
 
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Could you tell us when and where he could have gotten the disease though? The young Fritz doesn't seem to have been the type to receive it from the usual spot considering his particular persuasion.

He'd be in his late teens/early twenties at the time of his potential marriage to Amelia so it would need to have happened while he was in the military. But if it was only ever suspected we can more than likely ignore it since that may have been used to try and attempt to explain away Frederick's lack of children. Which we've already discussed before hand as more than likely being for personal reasons, given his feelings for his wife.

Interesting so if his marriage to AMelia goes ahead, is he more likely to have kids?
 
If he marries Amelia, doesn't have syphilis at all or any other disease for that matter, and finds her to his liking personality wise then yeah I can see him having a child or two with her. He's not likely to find her attractive or particularly alluring given his tastes but he could probably do his duty and beget a child/some children with Amelia for the kingdom. Especially if his father doesn't have a hand in their marriage.

Given Frederick's feelings for his father if he has a son then the child might be named George Frederick for Amelia's father and brother instead of simply Frederick. Their eldest daughter would more than likely be named for Sophia Dorothea of Hannover and any other daughters might be named for Amelia's mother and younger sister as well as for Frederick's favorite sister, Wilhelmine.

But that all depends on how often Frederick forces himself to visit Amelia's bedchamber.
 
If he marries Amelia, doesn't have syphilis at all or any other disease for that matter, and finds her to his liking personality wise then yeah I can see him having a child or two with her. He's not likely to find her attractive or particularly alluring given his tastes but he could probably do his duty and beget a child/some children with Amelia for the kingdom. Especially if his father doesn't have a hand in their marriage.

Given Frederick's feelings for his father if he has a son then the child might be named George Frederick for Amelia's father and brother instead of simply Frederick. Their eldest daughter would more than likely be named for Sophia Dorothea of Hannover and any other daughters might be named for Amelia's mother and younger sister as well as for Frederick's favorite sister, Wilhelmine.

But that all depends on how often Frederick forces himself to visit Amelia's bedchamber.

Alright interesting, so was Frederick gay?

And alright, if Frederick was fond of Amelia, and was friendly with her, could that help him perhaps look toward doing his duty?
 
According to Wiki, George and Caroline both came down with smallpox in July 1707, but survived

Had George died, and his baby son also caught the disease, that leaves George's sister, the Crown Princess of Prussia, next in line after George I.

Of course, a PoD that early could butterfly FtG away, either by preventing his birth or allowing one or both of his elder brothers to survive infancy. So from there it's anybody's guess.
 
According to Wiki, George and Caroline both came down with smallpox in July 1707, but survived

Had George died, and his baby son also caught the disease, that leaves George's sister, the Crown Princess of Prussia, next in line after George I.

Of course, a PoD that early could butterfly FtG away, either by preventing his birth or allowing one or both of his elder brothers to survive infancy. So from there it's anybody's guess.

Allright interesting, would that be more interesting than having Fred inherit in the 1730s?
 
Allright interesting, would that be more interesting than having Fred inherit in the 1730s?

Might have some consequences for the peace treaties of 1713/14

OTL, Prussia was awarded a small portion of the Spanish Netherlands as compensation for French annexation of the Principality of Orange. If their king is heir-presumptive to Britain, maybe they get more - perhaps Luxemburg as well?

And the Jacobite Fifteen probably gets stomped quite a bit faster with the help of the Prussian army. Might the Pretender be captured and shot?
 
Might have some consequences for the peace treaties of 1713/14

OTL, Prussia was awarded a small portion of the Spanish Netherlands as compensation for French annexation of the Principality of Orange. If their king is heir-presumptive to Britain, maybe they get more - perhaps Luxemburg as well?

And the Jacobite Fifteen probably gets stomped quite a bit faster with the help of the Prussian army. Might the Pretender be captured and shot?

Hmm interesting, and very possible. I do imagine that the Prussian friendlieness to them won't be there aha
 
Allright interesting, would that be more interesting than having Fred inherit in the 1730s?

I like him to inherit after George I in 1727, it means that he inherits before his father execute von Katte, which would likely be positive for his personality. It would also make sense for Frederick William to send his son to UK at that point, instead of being a petty asshole (which he tended to be), as he could then push his and his sons "claim" on Hanover.
 
Honestly? I'm not sure but all of the signs point towards that conclusion.

It could. Frederick was very practical. We'd need to know when his feelings towards women hardened however since I'm not too familiar with what may have happened to make him loathe them so. Could it have been Elisabeth Christine? Or perhaps some other factor might have been involved. He was genuinely fond of his mother and Wilhelmine but he was also known to be cold towards everyone else.

But the main point is that he'd need to get along with Amelia herself in order to get anywhere. If they were friendly and on good terms then they should have little to no problem.

I'm wondering if we could avoid much of the trauma the young Frederick gained from Katte's death if he were to be banished to Great Britain for a time and Katte to some other part of Germany. His mother could arrange for her son to meet Amelia and if the girl were sympathetic she could help Frederick keep in touch with Katte. This would probably help the two develop something of a friendly relationship until the time her family dies. But it depends on what Amelia was like herself.
 
Might have some consequences for the peace treaties of 1713/14

OTL, Prussia was awarded a small portion of the Spanish Netherlands as compensation for French annexation of the Principality of Orange. If their king is heir-presumptive to Britain, maybe they get more - perhaps Luxemburg as well?

And the Jacobite Fifteen probably gets stomped quite a bit faster with the help of the Prussian army. Might the Pretender be captured and shot?

I think the British will prefer to deal with the Jacobins without the royal family bringing their personal army to UK.
 
I like him to inherit after George I in 1727, it means that he inherits before his father execute von Katte, which would likely be positive for his personality. It would also make sense for Frederick William to send his son to UK at that point, instead of being a petty asshole (which he tended to be), as he could then push his and his sons "claim" on Hanover.

Alright what would happen to George II and his kids?


Honestly? I'm not sure but all of the signs point towards that conclusion.

It could. Frederick was very practical. We'd need to know when his feelings towards women hardened however since I'm not too familiar with what may have happened to make him loathe them so. Could it have been Elisabeth Christine? Or perhaps some other factor might have been involved. He was genuinely fond of his mother and Wilhelmine but he was also known to be cold towards everyone else.

But the main point is that he'd need to get along with Amelia herself in order to get anywhere. If they were friendly and on good terms then they should have little to no problem.

I'm wondering if we could avoid much of the trauma the young Frederick gained from Katte's death if he were to be banished to Great Britain for a time and Katte to some other part of Germany. His mother could arrange for her son to meet Amelia and if the girl were sympathetic she could help Frederick keep in touch with Katte. This would probably help the two develop something of a friendly relationship until the time her family dies. But it depends on what Amelia was like herself.


Alright I like this
 
Alright what would happen to George II and his kids?

For Frederick to inherit George II and his offspring would need to be dead, unless of course George II daughter oldest daughter is alive and have married Frederick. But I can't see the British choosing the Hohenzollern if they can marry their heir to a foreign monarch. I would say the Danish would be more likely, as it would strengthen alliance network (which Prussia was already part of).
 
Iirc the Hanoverians made use of Dutch and German auxiliaries in addition to British troops.

Prussia is not Hanover. Hanover was a pretty minor state, Prussia had 3 times Hanover population and a much bigger army. If you bring both the Prussian army to UK (and already have the Hanoverian one there) you have enough soldiers to risk a coup.
 
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