British=Prussian personal union

Query, say George II dies alongside his immediate issue, his sister Sophie Dorothea would be his heir, after her, how likely is A British=Prussian personal union?
 
And if not, then what might be the result? Would the throne of Britain to go to one of Sophie Dorothea's other sons after her? How would this influence relations with Parliament?
 
It's pretty hard to see how the British parliament can get around the Prussian Hohenzollern, if we look who have the second best claim (among non-Catholics) to Sophia Dorothea, it's her husband Frederick William of Prussia. Ironic the Hohenzollern would likely be more interested in Hanover than UK (UK may be bigger, richer and more important, but the king had more power in Prussia). Of course as that follow Salian Law, their claim would normal be worthless. But they would likely be willing to go to war for it, and George (I) died at a point in time, where Austria couldn't afford alienate Prussia or UK, so Russia, Sweden and Denmark would be the most likely to intervene, but they was all pretty hostile to each other at that point in time, and Sweden was a shadow of itself, so the Prussian could bribe the Danes, which would break that coalition (with Saxe-Lauenburg and maybe Bremen-Verden). So we could see Prussia annex most of Hanover and enter a dynastic union with UK.

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While Russia don't want Denmark to make these gains, it's preferable to Sweden gaining Bremen-Verden or for Prussia to keep it and for Austria a slightly weaker Prussia are preferable. So I think they will go after Denmark gaining both Bremen-Verden and Saxe-Lauenburg.

But at the same time for Prussia gaining their position in north west Germany have improved, which strengthen their position to try to gain Jülich-Berg, also by holding on their "right" to Hanover, it's more likely that the Austrian will support this claim. This likely mean that Frederick (the Great) don't alienate his British subjects and government, by trying to join the anti-Habsburg coalition in the Austrian Succession War.

This would also serve as example for the British why the union with Prussia is a good idea, as it give them a strong army on the continent. Hanover was always too weak to really matter, but here the Prussian deliver enough armies to be a important part of the anti-French alliance.

This likely mean that Prussia stay pro-Austria, which make the Austrian move toward France in the late 18th century unlikely, instead UK-Austrian alliance survive.
 
Intetesting would parliament accept an absent King considering their requirement the King spend his time in the country?
 
Intetesting would parliament accept an absent King considering their requirement the King spend his time in the country?

They will likely not be absent, it will just be their interest will be much more on the continent, and they will likely just regularly visit Prussia. Monarchs of bigger states (and here I mean areas bigger than Kent) usual left even very important provinces to be run by competent relatives (both royal and bastards).
 
They will likely not be absent, it will just be their interest will be much more on the continent, and they will likely just regularly visit Prussia. Monarchs of bigger states (and here I mean areas bigger than Kent) usual left even very important provinces to be run by competent relatives (both royal and bastards).
Alright interesting so I assume then that when shit hits the fan in 1734, that Frederick the great and not his mother would inherit the throne? That'll have interesting consequences should the jacboite rebellion of 1745 still occur. Also re Frederick having issue could we see him perhaps marryong Amelia of England before her family dies? Potentially having issue and then dividing the nation's?
 
Alright interesting so I assume then that when shit hits the fan in 1734, that Frederick the great and not his mother would inherit the throne?

There's also the chance that they make his father king, of course I somewhat doubt that, mostly because of Frederick Williams personality.

That'll have interesting consequences should the jacboite rebellion of 1745 still occur.

It really depend on how long the War of Austrian Succession last. I lean toward beside Prussia, Saxony will likely also side with the Habsburgs (mostly because they now lies between Austria and mega Prussia). Denmark may also join, now that they have a stronger position in Germany, if they join they will fight on the British side. The Swedes may repeat OTL stupidity by attacking Russia, through they may get a rare moment of sanity because the Russians and Danes are on the same side (so Sweden may decide not to enter the war if Denmark have joined the pro-Habsburg side). So the question are whether the anti-Habsburgs will last until 1745.

Some long term effects:
Sweden stay neutral: They keep a better border in Finland, smaller chance of losing it later, con: the Cap morons stay a power factor in Sweden. So they may start a war with Sweden later. But with a little luck they're couped by the next Swedish king before that happens.
The Danes enter the War: Likely no territorial gains, if Denmark gain something it will be because Denmark and Prussia partition Münster (unlikely the bishop was a good political opportunist, changing sides as the wind blew), so Denmark will likely only get a lot of money from UK, they will likely be thrown into minor colonial projects and modernisation.
Prussia: will only gain something, if the Bishop of Cologne-Münster etc fuck up. In that case Prussia take most of his possession with Denmark and Hesse-Kassel taking minor parts.
Saxony likely gain little except for some relative gaining important Bishop titles.
Bavaria risk partition, if their alliance do badly enough.

Also re Frederick having issue could we see him perhaps marryong Amelia of England before her family dies? Potentially having issue and then dividing the nation's?

I don't think he will have issues. His brother or nephew will likely inherit all of his possessions. This will be interesting, as it may means that they may live in Germany only travelling to UK, when it becomes clear that Frederick won't produce a heir, which means Frederick will be followed by a heir which is as German as he.
 
I don't think he will have issues. His brother or nephew will likely inherit all of his possessions. This will be interesting, as it may means that they may live in Germany only travelling to UK, when it becomes clear that Frederick won't produce a heir, which means Frederick will be followed by a heir which is as German as he.
if he get the choose of his bride(or if someone is not 'his father imposition' as was her otl wife) he will get issue, otl he was strangled after the Von Katte death and was just out of mind but his letter to maria theresa and the daugther of Mecklebrug might proved he either wanted to marry either one.

Plus his pragmatism...
 
if he get the choose of his bride(or if someone is not 'his father imposition' as was her otl wife) he will get issue, otl he was strangled after the Von Katte death and was just out of mind but his letter to maria theresa and the daugther of Mecklebrug might proved he either wanted to marry either one.

Plus his pragmatism...

The point is that he doesn't need to produce a son, it would be one thing if he was the last of his dynasty, but he had a clear succession with plenty of room to spare, and it seem pretty obvious that he was a full blown misogynist.
 
I've done a book leading up to this. It's an outgrowth of my "Long Live Queen Sophia" and "Long Live King Frederick" timelines. If there's enough interest, I'll go on with the sequel
 
Who in fact dies though and when? Do they all die in quick succession of one another or does George II first lose some children in childhood and then later to an illness that strikes down the rest of the family save for a daughter or two?

If Amelia lives then she more than likely becomes Queen herself in the event of her father's death since she's her father's remaining heir not Sophia Dorothea or her son Frederick. They'd be behind Amelia in the current line of succession. It would probably be smart to marry her to her Prussian cousin though especially since he's next in the line of succession.

But parliament might not wish to see her married to the Prussian heir if she were queen and still unmarried since that would definitely leave them tied to Prussia. You might need to have her betrothed and married to Frederick before her family dies when she's still merely a Princess of Great Britain. Though for this you'll need to avoid the sabotage that von Seckendorff instigated to avoid any such marriage from happening. Her husband would probably become either King Consort or Prince Consort, I'm not sure which at the moment.

It's possible that if Frederick were to marry someone of his own choosing then he could have a child or two. But he might also be more amenable to a match of his mother's choosing given that they were close. He was stubborn but his main issue with Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel-Bevern was the fact that she was forced on him by his father a few years after von Katte's execution. He may also have resented her due to the political machinations behind the match. Mainly due to the fact that the Austrians had a hand in it.

The main issue though is would the two be compatible? That may have also been part of the reason that Frederick never got along with Elisabeth Christine and could cause problems in Frederick's relationship with Amelia. Her younger sister Princess Caroline is only a year younger than him and could be considered as well. Though her attachment to Lord Hervey might be a bit problematic. Does anyone here know what either girl was like in her youth?
 
Interesting posts here.

I'd say that Frederick siring an heir would definitely be important.

Re George II and his issue, what I was thinking is that they either all die together or one after the other over a period of years. Having one of his daughters married to Frederick would be fascinating
 
How would this sound re a marriage for Fred:

In 1728, at the suggestion of his sister and his wife, George II offers the hand of his daughter Princess Amelia to the crown Prince of Prussia, Frederick. No one knows just what changed Frederick William's mind, but it seems that this would prove most fortiutous, for the King of Prussia agreed to the marriage. The Prince and Princess were married in early 1729.

Possible family tree:

Frederick II of Prussia and I of Great Britain (b. 1712: d. 1787) m Amelia I of Great Britain (b. 1711: d. 1786)

Issue:

Sophia, Princess Royal (b. 1731)

Charlotte, Princess of Great Britain (b. 1733)

Frederick II of Great Britain and III of Prussia (b. 1736)
 
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