British colonization of East Coast delayed until the 1670s

[walmart]

Say Jamestown and Plymouth fail. What would be the impact if British colonization of the eastern United States was delayed until the colonization of South Carolina by Barbadian settlers.

How would effect the other colonial powers in North America

Does Britain still end up taking the Dutch and French territories in North America

 

[walmart]

Would this led to a higher percentage of slaves ?

 

[funnyhat]

This would mean a lot fewer total English/British colonists in North America. Not only because they would lose 70 years of growth they had IOTL, but also, this apparently means that they would not have any colonies for religious dissenters.

You might see the Dutch expand across much more of the east coast.

 

[raharris1973]

In the period before the 1670s, the Swedes may down from the Delaware to the Chesapeake Bay and the the Dutch Bay expand from the Hudson River area all the way past Cape Cod while the French extend Acadia down throughout Maine and New Hampshire.

The successful British Carolina Colony won't be conducive to the explosive natural population growth of New England, so the long term of odds of the the survival of New France go up a lot. Even the long term chances for survival of New Netherlands and New Sweden go up, but to lesser degrees. Many Englishmen might move to the Dutch or Swedish colonies.

 

[marathag]

Say Jamestown and Plymouth fail. What would be the impact if British colonization of the eastern United States was delayed until the colonization of South Carolina by Barbadian settlers.

How would effect the other colonial powers in North America

Does Britain still end up taking the Dutch and French territories in North America

Baffin Island, Roanoke Colony failing(Twice!) didn't stop other efforts, Popham failed in Maine, too.
There will keep being more Charters being issued, and Colonies attempted, by all the powers.
If the Dutch do better, that makes them a target of the Spanish during the 80 years War, and then the English if Spain has Colonies on the Eastern Seaboard

 

[Jürgen]

Baffin Island, Roanoke Colony failing(Twice!) didn't stop other efforts, Popham failed in Maine, too.
There will keep being more Charters being issued, and Colonies attempted, by all the powers.
If the Dutch do better, that makes them a target of the Spanish during the 80 years War, and then the English if Spain has Colonies on the Eastern Seaboard

The North American mainland Dutch wouldn’t be targets of the Spanish anymore than in OTL. We can make some good guesses of the potential conflicts. The Swedes will fall to the Dutch as in OTL unless the lack of the English means they have more settlers or that they’re further south. Without the English the Dutch lack any threat on the eastern seaboard until the Franco-Dutch War and by then they’re in a far better position than the French. Even if the Dutch only have natural increase they will outnumber New France two to one and while the Dutch in OTL didn’t have the large influx of new settlers the English did, they still got more new settlers than the French did, so the New Netherlands will continue to grow faster than New France. Of course the lower immigration[1] of New Netherlands compared to British America would have some effects, Dutch New Sweden may survive as a separate cultural entity, the Dutch won’t have the population to keep the English out of the American south. New England with the Dutch and French being stronger will be harder for the English to take post-1670 but not impossible as both side would likely be relative uninterested in the region. Of course that also lead to potential Black Horse colonization in the post-1670 Denmark, Brandenburg and Courland were all active in the colonization game, while none showed any great interest in North America this could have been result of there not really being a lot of real estate left which the bigger power wouldn’t just take from them.

[1] and the cultural makeup of Dutch settlers which will be a mix of Dutch, Germans, Danes and Huguenots

 

[funnyhat]

Baffin Island, Roanoke Colony failing(Twice!) didn't stop other efforts, Popham failed in Maine, too.
There will keep being more Charters being issued, and Colonies attempted, by all the powers.
If the Dutch do better, that makes them a target of the Spanish during the 80 years War, and then the English if Spain has Colonies on the Eastern Seaboard

By this time the Spanish no longer have naval supremacy : the Dutch privateers have established bases on islands like Aruba and Curaçao to attack the Spanish treasure fleets. The Spanish colonies are now in a defensive position against the Dutch.

The English are the main obstacle for the Dutch and if their early settlements in North America fail, that really opens the door for New Netherland to expand further. (I suppose the Swedish could take more interest in New Sweden ITTL, but I suspect it will remain weaker than New Netherland.)

 

[pompejus]

I was wondering. Otl the Pilgrim fathers lived in the Netherlands for a while, before they decided to leave for the Americas. What if in this timeline they move to a Dutch American colony? Basicly they get permission from the WIC to settle down in the Americas in a place where onlythey are allowed to live and they are basicly left alone and are more or less autonomous, but still live under Dutch colonial rule.

 

[raharris1973]

The 80 years were at least half done by the time New Netherlands got started.

 

[Gabingston]

I was wondering. OTL the Pilgrim fathers lived in the Netherlands for a while, before they decided to leave for the Americas. What if in this timeline they move to a Dutch American colony? Basically they get permission from the WIC to settle down in the Americas in a place where only they are allowed to live and they are basically left alone and are more or less autonomous, but still live under Dutch colonial rule.

That's a premise for a TL that I've actually though of using, the Pilgrims settling in the New Netherland colony.

 

[raharris1973]

That's a premise for a TL that I've actually though of using, the Pilgrims settling in the New Netherland colony.

Not sure how you're handling it, but this sort of scene just came to mind.---

"....and so we (the English Pilgrim Fathers) like Jacob came to bargain with Lot (the Dutch) over this New World's Jordan river (the Hudson), where we would live and trade in peace, with the sons of Jacob/Israel inheriting the land to the west, and the sons of Lot the lands to the east."