British Colonials Becoming Reich Sattelites?

Teleology

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In an Axis Victory scenario, would it make sense of Germany to be propping up apartheid states in South Africa and India, and providing Australia and New Zealand with protection against the perceived threat of Japan?

I'm thinking a "Germans push the Brits out of Egypt, take the Middle East, then hit Russia from the front and below" type victory. The British Empire falls apart, looking for stronger protectors than humiliated Britain. In twenty years even the Brits are Finlandized by German culture and have German military advisors helping them root out "celtic terrorists" in Scotland, Wales, and Ireland (who started up once Britain showed itself as being in a weak position).

I like the idea of the "Anglo Circle" of puppets around a Reich victorious and the potential scenario of the Germans leading the Raj and Australia against the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere could be cool.

The North Americans would feel they were filling the status quo just by having used "getting the nukes first" to end a German-Argentinean intervention in Brazil and keeping the Axis out of the New World.
 
"celtic terrorists" in Scotland, Wales, and Ireland (who started up once Britain showed itself as being in a weak position).

wat

Why does everyone say this? Their is probably more nationalistic English than Scots, Welsh and Irish combined. Not to mention that England is the only country that can live without the other constituent countries.
 
Now I'm a firm believer that Nazi Germany could have came out of WWII with more then what it started with but most (i.e. everything) would never happen... Ever!

Let me ask what was the US doing in all of this? Did it go to war with Japan, or did it stay completely neutral, if you answer the latter then why?

For Britain, the only way Germany is going to win is if it convinces Britain to drop out on its own. And even then Britain is liable to come back like in the Napoleonic Wars. As for the Middle East, there were a couple of Nazi sympathetic leaders like in Iran but Germany has no chance in "taking the Middle East and then hit Russia from below". The real world is not a game of risk, as for the British Empire breaking up and Germany setting up puppet states. Not a chance. The best shot is an apartheid government in South Africa and get banned from the Commonwealth while the US and Britain place an Embargo which Germany ignores and trades with SA anyway but it would never be a German puppet.

As for the America's, any Latin American leader that even hints Pro-German is going to eat Yankee lead literally.
 
Now I'm a firm believer that Nazi Germany could have came out of WWII with more then what it started with but most (i.e. everything) would never happen... Ever!

Let me ask what was the US doing in all of this? Did it go to war with Japan, or did it stay completely neutral, if you answer the latter then why?

For Britain, the only way Germany is going to win is if it convinces Britain to drop out on its own. And even then Britain is liable to come back like in the Napoleonic Wars. As for the Middle East, there were a couple of Nazi sympathetic leaders like in Iran but Germany has no chance in "taking the Middle East and then hit Russia from below". The real world is not a game of risk, as for the British Empire breaking up and Germany setting up puppet states. Not a chance. The best shot is an apartheid government in South Africa and get banned from the Commonwealth while the US and Britain place an Embargo which Germany ignores and trades with SA anyway but it would never be a German puppet.

As for the America's, any Latin American leader that even hints Pro-German is going to eat Yankee lead literally.

Why do people always go onto stuff like that rather than trying to answer the question?

Unfortunately i dont know enough to even try to answer. :eek: This does remind me of a really good tl i read a long while ago (a nazi domination/cold war with America tl and also involving Germany going crazy with the puppet states). In the tl a nazi soldier argues with an American soldier saying that because many nations are Germany puppets the people are able to vote which is more when they had when they were colonies, the fact that national socialist always win is irrelevant. Just felt like sharing that incase anyone can find and direct me to where i found that tl.

Anyways in my opinion the former dominions would not work at all as willing puppets (finlandization could work) considering they just fought a war. However many people seem to have an attraction for Germany setting up puppets from colonial provinces (no matter how unrealistic)
 
Under the assumption that Britain is subject to German occupation having been starved into submission, the British Isles would likely have been fractured into Ireland (more the north being reunited with the mother country, but falling under heavy German influence), Wales, Scotland, and England.

In regards to Africa, Rhodesia and South Africa are possibilities. The Afrikaners would be supported in their efforts to maintain apartheid (something that the other Commonwealth nations would criticize), with a similar situation occuring in Rhodesia (which encompasses the borders of Rhodesia and Nysaland).

However, the Americans would defend the Western Hemisphere from German occupation. India and Burma would fall under the influence of Japan, and they still find themselves at war with the United States, Australia, and New Zealand.

What you proposed is ASB, unfortunately.
 
wat

Why does everyone say this? Their is probably more nationalistic English than Scots, Welsh and Irish combined. Not to mention that England is the only country that can live without the other constituent countries.


So is England going to secede from the United Kingdom?
 
They'd have to willing protectorates; no way the Reich can force anything on the far-flung British Empire. The Reich in India? After a couple of years of the Gestoopo running around, the Indians are going to think that maybe the British weren't so bad after all.
 
They'd have to willing protectorates; no way the Reich can force anything on the far-flung British Empire. The Reich in India? After a couple of years of the Gestoopo running around, the Indians are going to think that maybe the British weren't so bad after all.

A Bose-led independent Indian government, on the other hand...
 

NomadicSky

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I like the idea of the "Anglo Circle" of puppets around a Reich victorious and the potential scenario of the Germans leading the Raj and Australia against the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere could be cool.

What? Seriously it'd be "so cool" to you for genocidal monsters like the Nazis to rule over India and Australia, killing millions in concentration camps in the process. You really don't understand what the Nazis were at all.
 
What? Seriously it'd be "so cool" to you for genocidal monsters like the Nazis to rule over India and Australia, killing millions in concentration camps in the process. You really don't understand what the Nazis were at all.
Millions of imaginary people that dont exist because its AH. :rolleyes: Your going to complain about people who think weapons are cool and like possible war stories next?

Plus he said he liked the idea that Germany fights off the Japanese in his scenario. You prefer them to work together to annihilate Australia and India instead?
 
White parts of Empire would gravitate toward US (like Australia did), other would try to get the msot out of situation. Jsut because India could take advantage of British troubles and become independant it doesn't mean it will become German sattelite.
 

Larrikin

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A Bose-led independent Indian government, on the other hand...

Contrary to many peoples thoughts, the great majority of Indian, from Ghandi and Nehru down, despised Bose. Trying to set him up as a German puppet would lead to a fracturing of India. Remember, many of the states that are now part of the Nation of India were seperate entities until 1948, some having their own armed forces.
 
Contrary to many peoples thoughts, the great majority of Indian, from Ghandi and Nehru down, despised Bose. Trying to set him up as a German puppet would lead to a fracturing of India. Remember, many of the states that are now part of the Nation of India were seperate entities until 1948, some having their own armed forces.

I agree- I'm of Indian descent myself. I meant an Axis-wins scenario where, say, a Bose government is allowed to take control of India but Germany and Japan. The people might not like it but if he has enough force on his side they might accept him as an alternative to further war. He had a certain level of populist support, if not a widespread base, and if Gandhi and Nehru found themselves forced to support him as the only contender able to negotiate with the Axis they might do so.

Not plausible but the whole scenario isn't that plausible.
 

Larrikin

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I agree- I'm of Indian descent myself. I meant an Axis-wins scenario where, say, a Bose government is allowed to take control of India but Germany and Japan. The people might not like it but if he has enough force on his side they might accept him as an alternative to further war. He had a certain level of populist support, if not a widespread base, and if Gandhi and Nehru found themselves forced to support him as the only contender able to negotiate with the Axis they might do so.

Not plausible but the whole scenario isn't that plausible.

Hitler to Churchill re Ghandiji "Why don't you just shoot him" was well known in India at the time. I'm not sure how either Germany or Japan could employ enough force to keep India down if the people decided they didn't want a Bose puppet government.
 

Teleology

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White parts of Empire would gravitate toward US (like Australia did), other would try to get the msot out of situation. Jsut because India could take advantage of British troubles and become independant it doesn't mean it will become German sattelite.

You miss my point.

Wouldn't it appeal to the darker angels of human nature in some Brits in India to accept Nazi help in keeping the Raj intact, as in establishing a permanent Anglo-dominated state in India?

That's the main kernel of my idea here. South Africa getting a pro-Nazi apartheid government is more obvious, Australia accepting anyone's help it can against the Japanese is less exciting, but I'd love to show colonialism of how it really is, ya know.

So yeah, I do think a German-backed Anglo-ran racist state in India would make very illuminating alternate history.
 
You miss my point.

Wouldn't it appeal to the darker angels of human nature in some Brits in India to accept Nazi help in keeping the Raj intact, as in establishing a permanent Anglo-dominated state in India?

That's the main kernel of my idea here. South Africa getting a pro-Nazi apartheid government is more obvious, Australia accepting anyone's help it can against the Japanese is less exciting, but I'd love to show colonialism of how it really is, ya know.

So yeah, I do think a German-backed Anglo-ran racist state in India would make very illuminating alternate history.

So what you are saying is that Germany first kicks british ass into submission, then Britain asks Germany to help them prop up british dominated regime in India and Germany accepts?
 
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