I don't think that was a deliverable price.The starting price from BSA was £5 each for decent order.
Look at a STEN Mk2
That's 2 pounds. The MkI was well over 5 pounds. and that was just from woodwork, and not being spotwelded, but riveted.
I don't think that was a deliverable price.The starting price from BSA was £5 each for decent order.
Let me explain why that is wrong.
And there was a lot of Foreign designed weapons in British Service and they have been quite happy in the years since to use weapon designs NIH
BREN - Czech
Lewis Gun - USA
BESA 7.92 Mauser MMG and 15mm HMG - Czech
Lee Enfield Rifles used a design made by a American - so a 'Mid Atlantic' Design (perfected at Enfield)
Later post war we see
L1A1 (Imperial FN FAL) - Belgian
L7 GPMG - Belgian
Browning Hi Power - Belgium (bit of a theme)
FN Minimi - ummm still Belgium
L85A1 and A2 - based (initially quite poorly) on the AR18 and later Stoner 63 design - USA
L129A1 Marksman rifle - USA
Carl Gustav 84mm MAW - Sweden
iirc:How far were the Marines trained to strip the rifles?
That's not explaining anything, that's a video showing the rifle being 'field stripped'.
You claimed the Marines were taking parts of the rifle apart that they weren't supposed to take apart. The number of parts inside the rifle has absolutely nothing to do with that - if you're not trained to take something apart and you do then it's your own fault.
There are some parts that look easy to lose, but then that's why if you're stripping it down you'd do it carefully and preferably not in the dark. Certainly the parts are no smaller than some of the bolt parts in the L85 (and probably bits of any other assault rifle). That's why if you need to battle clean the rifle with a chance of ending up in a contact while you're doing it you just pull out the gas parts (it can still be fired as a bolt action if you're desperately need to fire it with the gas parts out), give them a clean and give the barrel a pull through. Once you're somewhere safer you can do the little fiddly bits like taking the bolt apart.
How far were the Marines trained to strip the rifles? Was that enough to keep the rifle working in battle conditions? If it was and the Marines were stripping it further then they were going against their training and that's their own fault. If it's not it's the fault of either the person who wrote the training or the person giving it.
I said effectively destroyed. Elements of it continued to exist, but they had to be reinforced by other formation to be able function.The 106th Division reported 6697 POW, 417 KIA, 1278 WIA, and 53 DOW in WW II; two of the division's three regiments (422nd and 423rd) were destroyed on the Schnee Eifel in December, but the division headquarters, division troops, engineers, artillery, and the third regiment (424th) are withdrew; the division, with the separate 3rd and 159th infantry regiments attached, remained assigned to the V Corps in February and 15th Army from March, entering Germany in April, 1945. Simultaneously, the 422nd and 423rd were rebuilt in France and returned to the US with the 106th Division after VE Day. So, not exactly "destroyed"...
Data is all from Stanton.
That's not explaining anything, that's a video showing the rifle being 'field stripped'.
You claimed the Marines were taking parts of the rifle apart that they weren't supposed to take apart. The number of parts inside the rifle has absolutely nothing to do with that - if you're not trained to take something apart and you do then it's your own fault.
There are some parts that look easy to lose, but then that's why if you're stripping it down you'd do it carefully and preferably not in the dark. Certainly the parts are no smaller than some of the bolt parts in the L85 (and probably bits of any other assault rifle). That's why if you need to battle clean the rifle with a chance of ending up in a contact while you're doing it you just pull out the gas parts (it can still be fired as a bolt action if you're desperately need to fire it with the gas parts out), give them a clean and give the barrel a pull through. Once you're somewhere safer you can do the little fiddly bits like taking the bolt apart.
How far were the Marines trained to strip the rifles? Was that enough to keep the rifle working in battle conditions? If it was and the Marines were stripping it further then they were going against their training and that's their own fault. If it's not it's the fault of either the person who wrote the training or the person giving it.
I said effectively destroyed. Elements of it continued to exist, but they had to be reinforced by other formation to be able function.
Let me throw this gasoline on the fire.
This is not me scorching Churchill. This is Nigel Hamilton who puts the boot in. He puts it in hard.
Bit random? Mind you the thread has devolved from the original question so why not!
Now that would have made more sense.Probably should have included it in the MARKET GARDEN thread where I note Montgomery had problems in that vein, but what the hey?