Britain's destiny-What idf the british had won the battle of Chesapeake Bay?

Anaxagoras

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Cornwallis is able to evacuate his army to New York or Charleston, meaning the outcome of the campaign is still a Franco-American victory, just not as decisive as it was IOTL.
 
Cornwallis is able to evacuate his army to New York or Charleston, meaning the outcome of the campaign is still a Franco-American victory, just not as decisive as it was IOTL.

Charleston is weak to defend witout artificial fort.New york was very Loyalisty until the end of the war so it is not an option.
 
1776 AD:
(Note:The POD would come only in 1781)
.*Thomas Paine publish a pamphlet known as Common Sense.
*South Carolina Loyalists led by Robert Cunningham sign a petition from prison agreeing to all demands for peace by the formed state government of South Carolina.
*Henry Knox arrives at Cambridge, Massachusetts with the artillery that he has transported from Fort Ticonderoga.
*Edward Gibbon publishes the first volume of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
*North Carolina Loyalists charge across Moore's Creek bridge near Wilmington to attack what they mistakenly believe to be a small force of rebels. Several loyalist leaders are killed in the ensuing battle. The patriot victory virtually ends all British authority in the town.The battle is known as the battle of Moore's Creek Bridge.
*The Americans capture "Dorchester Heights" dominating the port of Boston, Massachusetts.This event cause the british to evacuate boston.
*Adam Smith publishes The Wealth of Nations.
*Juan Baptista De Anza founds ther Presidio of San Francisco.
*Royal Colony of North Carolina produces the Halifax Resolves making it the first British colony to officially authorize its Continental Congress delegates to vote for independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain.
*Rhode Island becomes the first American colony to renounce allegiance to King George III of Great Britain.
*Richard Henry Lee propose the Lee resolution.
*American invaders are driven back at Trois-Rivières, Quebec.
*The Continental Congress appoints a committee to draft the Declaration of Independence.
*Virginia Declaration of Rights by George Mason adopted by the Virginia Convention of Delegates.
*Delaware Separation Day: The Delaware General Assembly votes to suspend government under the British Crown.
*Lt. Jose Joaquin Moraga leads a band of colonists from Monterey Presidio, landing on June 29 and constructing the Mission Dolores of the new Presidio of San Francisco.
*The Continental Congress passes the Lee Resolution.
*United States officially declares independence from the British Empire.*The Liberty Bell rings for the first public reading of the Declaration of Independence.
*An angry mob in New York City topples the equestrian statue of George III in Bowling Green.
*Captain James Cook sets off from Plymouth England on his third, and fatal, expedition to the Pacific Ocean.
*Mozart's celebrated Haffner Serenade is first performed in Salzburg, Austria.
*First Hessian troops land on Staten Island to join British forces.
*Famous Philosopher David Hume dies of Bowel and Liver Cancer.
*Washington's troops routed in Brooklyn by British under William Howe.
*First running of the St. Leger Stakes horse race in England.
*Hurricane hits Guadeloupe, killing more than 6000.
*World's first submarine attack. American submersible craft Turtle attempts to attach a time bomb to the hull of British Admiral Richard Howe's flagship HMS Eagle in New York Harbor.
*Abortive peace conference between British and Americans on Staten Island.
*British land on Manhattan at Kip's Bay.
*American victory at Harlem Heights.
*Nathan Hale executed in New York City for espionage.
*Crown Prince Paul of Russia marries Sophie Marie Dorothea of Württemberg.
*Father Francisco Palou founds Mission San Francisco de Asis in what is now San Francisco, California.
*Battle of Valcour Island: On Lake Champlain near Valcour Island, a British fleet led by Sir Guy Carleton defeats 15 American gunboats commanded by Brigadier General Benedict Arnold. Although nearly all of Arnold's ships are destroyed, the two day-long battle will give Patriot forces enough time to prepare defenses of New York City.
*British forces arrive at White Plains, attack and capture Chatterton Hill from the Americans.
*Hessian mercenaries under Lieutenant General Wilhelm von Knyphausen capture Fort Washington from the American Continentals.
*The Phi Beta Kappa society is founded at the College of William and Mary.
*Marquis de Lafayette attempts to enter the American military as a major general.
*The Royal Colony of North Carolina reorganizes into the State of North Carolina after adopting its own constitution. Richard Caswell becomes the first governor of the newly formed state.
*Thomas Paine, living with Washington's troops, begins publishing The American Crisis, containing the stirring phrase, "These are the times that try men's souls."
*Gen. George Washington orders the first issue of The Crisis read to his troops on Christmas Eve, then at 6 p.m. all 2600 of them march to McKonkey's Ferry, cross the Delaware River and land on the Jersey bank at 3 a.m.
*Washington's troops surprise the 1500 Hessian troops under the command of Col. Johann Rall at 8 a.m. outside Trenton and score a victory, taking 948 prisoners while suffering only 5 wounded.

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It might slow the pace of events down enough for Digby's late September arrival (perhaps a few days earlier then OTL) w/additional warships to make a difference. However, the stronger Franco-Spanish fleet will regroup and engage Graves again before that and Graves may well lose that battle. How much damage did Graves' ships suistain in their victory? The victory you propose, remember, would be one won despite Graves' clumsy and uninspiring tactical leadership. Graves will need to move quickly (something he was not known for doing) in order to take advantage of his victory, as Rochambeau and Washington are already moving toward Yorktown and have all they need in order to lay seige to the British position. Cornwallis may well be able to extract his forces from Yorktown w/o surrendering, but the revolution will continue and momentum will stay on the side of the rebels. Perhaps you could dampen the rebel "Yorktown Campaign" victory by having Washington die from wounds received during the seige.

Very nice map, BTW.
 
1777 AD:
*George Washington's army fights the Second Battle of Trenton, New Jersey.
*American general George Washington defeats British general Charles Cornwallis.
*Mission Santa Clara de Asís is founded in what is now Santa Clara, California.
*Vermont declares its independence from New York, becoming the Vermont Republic, an independent country.
*Lachlan McIntosh and Button Gwinnett shoot each other during a duel near Savannah, Georgia. Gwinnett, a signer of the United States Declaration of Independence, dies 3 days later.
*The Marquis de Lafayette lands near Charleston, South Carolina to help the Continental Congress train its army.
*The Stars and Stripes is adopted by the Continental Congress as the Flag of the United States.
*British forces are defeated by American troops at Benington,vermont.
*In a minor skirmish in New Castle County, Delaware, the Flag of the United States was flown in battle for the first time.
*The British gain a major victory in Chester County, Pennsylvania.
*Patriot forces withstand a British attack at Saratoga, New York.
*British troops occupy Philadelphia .
*Troops under George Washington are repelled by British troops under Sir William Howe.
*British General John Burgoyne is defeated by American troops.
*After 16 months of debate, the Continental Congress approves the Articles of Confederation in the temporary American capital at York, Pennsylvania.
*San Jose, California is founded. It is the first pueblo in Spanish Alta California.
*George Washington's Continental Army goes into winter quarters at Valley Forge, Pennsylvania.
*Morocco becomes the first nation to formally recognize the American colonies thereby beginning Morocco – United States relations.
*Kiritimati is discovered by James Cook.
*The 2nd edition of Encyclopædia Britannica is published.

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It might slow the pace of events down enough for Digby's late September arrival (perhaps a few days earlier then OTL) w/additional warships to make a difference. However, the stronger Franco-Spanish fleet will regroup and engage Graves again before that and Graves may well lose that battle. How much damage did Graves' ships suistain in their victory? The victory you propose, remember, would be one won despite Graves' clumsy and uninspiring tactical leadership. Graves will need to move quickly (something he was not known for doing) in order to take advantage of his victory, as Rochambeau and Washington are already moving toward Yorktown and have all they need in order to lay seige to the British position. Cornwallis may well be able to extract his forces from Yorktown w/o surrendering, but the revolution will continue and momentum will stay on the side of the rebels. Perhaps you could dampen the rebel "Yorktown Campaign" victory by having Washington die from wounds received during the seige.

Very nice map, BTW.

Thanks,i took it from the UCS map thread and edited it beacuse it wrongly depicted New York City and long island as being controlled by the rebells.I like your idea BTW.
 
May I make a comment about the map, something unrelated to your timeline? For some reason Guyana has a British colour, while it was Dutch in those days.
 
1778 AD:
*The third Pacific expedition of Capt. James Cook, with ships HMS Resolution and HMS Discovery, first view O'ahu then Kaua'i in the Hawaiian Islands, which he names the Sandwich Islands.
*South Carolina becomes the first state to ratify the Articles of Confederation.
*In Paris the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Amity and Commerce are signed by the United States and France, signaling official recognition of the new republic.
*Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben arrives at Valley Forge, Pennsylvania and begins to train the American troops.
*George Washington approves the dishonorable discharge of Lieut. Frederick Gotthold Enslin for "attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier".
*Benedict Arnold signs US oath of allegiance at Valley Forge.
*A total solar eclipse takes place across parts of OTL USA from Texas to Virginia.
*George Washington's Continental Army battles the British general Sir Henry Clinton's army to a draw near Monmouth, New Jersey.
*the Wyoming Massacre takes place near Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, ending in a terrible defeat of the local colonists.
*George Rogers Clark takes Kaskaskia.
*Louis XVI of France declares war on the Kingdom of Great Britain.
*British and French fleets fight to a standoff 160 miles off Ushant.
*Triglav, at 2,864 meters above sea level the highest peak of Slovenia, is ascended for the first time by four brave[citation needed] men: Luka Korošec, Matevž Kos, Štefan Rožič, and Lovrenc Willomitzer on Sigmund Zois' initiative.
*The Battle of Rhode Island takes place when the Continental Army attempts to retake Aquidneck Island from the British.
*The Massachusetts Banishment Act, providing punishment for Loyalists, is passed.
*The Treaty of Fort Pitt is signed, the first formal treaty between the United States and a Native American tribe (the Lenape or Delaware).
*The Continental Congress passes the first budget of the United States.
*In the Hawaiian Islands, Capt. James Cook becomes the first European to land on Maui.
*The first settlement is made in the area of OTL Louisville, Kentucky by 13 families under Colonel George Rogers Clark.
*Phillips Academy, the most prestigious secondary boarding school in the United States, is founded by Samuel Phillips Jr.

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May I make a comment about the map, something unrelated to your timeline? For some reason Guyana has a British colour, while it was Dutch in those days.

Realy? Well,i took it from the UCS maps thread but i would ask them and i would change that if i will find it was true (Althought i remeber that by mid 19th century the area was already dutch so it is very likely to be true).
 
1779 AD:
*British troops surrender to the Marathas in Wadgaon, India, and are forced to return all terrorities acquired since 1773.
*Ching-Thang Khomba is crowned King of Manipur.
*Claudius Smith is hanged at Goshen, Orange County, New York for supposed acts of terrorism upon the people of the surrounding communities.
*After a second petition for partition from its residents, the North Carolina General Assembly abolishes Bute County, North Carolina (established 1764) by dividing it and naming the northern portion Warren County (for Revolutionary War hero Joseph Warren) and the southern portion Franklin County (for Benjamin Franklin). The General Assembly also establishes Warrenton (also named for Joseph Warren) to be the county seat of Warren County and Louisburg (named for Louis XVI of France) to be the county seat of Franklin County.
*Captain James Cook dies on the Sandwich Islands on his third and last voyage.
*Treaty of Aynalıkavak between Ottoman Turkey and Russian Empire about Crimean Khanate.Under the term of this treaty,both sides agree not to interfere in crimean politics.
*Russian and French mediators at the Congress of Teschen negotiate an end to the war of bavarian succession. In the agreement Austria receives a part of the Bavarian territory (the Innviertel) and relinquishes the rest.
*Benedict Arnold is court-martialed for malfeasance in his treatment of government property.
*In support of the U.S., Spain declares war on England.
*United States forces led by General Anthony Wayne capture Stony Point, New York from British troops.
*The Goshen Militia is destroyed by Joseph Brant's forces.
*American forces led by Commodore Dudley Saltonstall launch the Penobscot Expedition in what is now Castine, Maine, resulting in the worst naval defeat in U.S. history until Pearl Harbor.(In OTL).
*The Great Siege of Gibraltar (fourteenth and last military siege) starts. This is an action by French and Spanish forces to wrest control of Gibraltar from the established British garrison. The garrison, led by George Augustus Eliott, later 1st Baron Heathfield of Gibraltar, survives all attacks and a blockade of supplies.
*Spanish troops under Bernardo de Galvez capture the Baton Rouge from the British.
*he American ship Bonhomme Richard, commanded by John Paul Jones, engages the British ship Serapis. The Bonhomme Richard sinks, but the Americans board the Serapis and other vessels, and are victorious.
*The North Carolina General Assembly carves a new county from Dobbs County, North Carolina and names it Wayne County in honor of United States General Anthony Wayne.
*Alexandre, Vicomte de Beauharnais marries Joséphine Tascher.
*Fort Nashborough, OTL Nashville, is founded by James Robertson.
*The Iron Bridge is completed across the River Severn in Shropshire (the first all cast-iron bridge ever constructed).
*Boulton and Watt's Smethwick Engine, now the oldest working engine in the world, is brought into service.
*The city of Tampere, Finland is founded.

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67th Tigers

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Cornwallis is able to evacuate his army to New York or Charleston, meaning the outcome of the campaign is still a Franco-American victory, just not as decisive as it was IOTL.

Evacuate?

Excepting the French Navy dominating Chesapeake Bay at a crucial moment Washington's strike at Cornwallis was a dream come true for the British. They intended to reinforce Cornwallis and destroy Washington's main force well away from the fortified Highlands of New York. Cornwallis's force of 8,000 would be reinforced by Clinton with 7,000 (superceding Cornwallis) and crush the main rebel army in country deeply hostile to the Continentals.
 
1780 AD:
*British Admiral Sir George Rodney defeats a Spanish fleet at Cape St. Vincent.
*The League of Armed Neutrality is formed between Denmark, Sweden, and Russia.
*The Omicron Delta Omega co-ed fraternity is founded by Benjamin Franklin.
*The British Gazette and Sunday Monitor, the first Sunday newspaper in Britain, begins publication.
*The University of Münster in Münster, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany is founded.
*Charleston, South Carolina is taken by British forces.
*Cumberland Compact signed by American settlers in the Cumberland Valley of OTL Tennessee.
*ew England's Dark Day: An unaccountable darkness spreads over New England, regarded by some observers as a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
*Loyalist forces under Col. Banastre Tarleton kill surrendering American soldiers in the Waxhaw Massacre.
*Gordon Riots in London, Great Britain: The Duke of Richmond calls, in the House of Lords, for manhood suffrage and annual parliaments.
*French soldiers arrive in Newport, Rhode Island to reinforce colonists in the American Revolutionary War.
*British troops inflict heavy losses on a Patriot army at Camden, South Carolina.
*Spanish admiral Luis de Córdova y Córdova captures a British convoy totalling 55 vessels amongst Indiamen, frigates and other cargo ships off Cape St. Vincent.
*Louis XIV of france never abolish the use of torture in interrogations.
*Benedict arnold surrender West Point to the british.As a result,the british secure lower New York.(in OTL the papers Benedict Arnold gave to John Andre were captured by the rebels).
*Rallied from the capture of West Point,british loyalist kings mountain,north carolina and Blacksburg,South Carlonia.
*The Great Hurricane flattens the islands of Barbados, Martinique and St. Eustatius: 22,000 dead.
*Maria Theresa of Austria dies and her Habsburg dominions pass to her ambitious son, Joseph II, who has already been Holy Roman Emperor since 1765.
*Emperor Kōkaku accedes to the throne of Japan.
*start of the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War.
*In Ireland, Lady Berry, who is sentenced to death for the murder of her son, is released when she agrees to become an executioner (retires 1810).
*The original Craven Cottage is built by William Craven, 6th Baron Craven (located on the centre circle of the pitch).
*Jose Gabriel Kunturkanki, businessman and landowner, proclaims himself Inca Tupac Amaru II.
*Nikephoros Theotokis starts introducing Edinoverie, an attempt to integrate the Old Believers into Russia's established church.
* Western countries pay 16,000,000 ounces of silver for Chinese goods.
* 9 million population in Britain.
*Det Dramatiske Selskab is founded in Norway.

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67th Tigers, Virginia was not deeply hostile to the Continental Army and Clinton did not try to move 7000 men, whether in a timely fashion or otherwise, in order to save Cornwallis. Nor was it a dream come to true to the British for any situation where the RN suffered even a tactical defeat at sea.
 
1781 AD:
*William Pitt the younger enter parliament.
*French spy Francis Henry de la Motte is executed in Tyburn Prison in England for high treason.
*A French fleet under Comte de Grasse enters Chesapeake Bay, cutting British General Charles Cornwallis off from escape by sea.
*El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora La Reina de Los Ángeles de Porciuncula (OTL los angeles) is founded by 44 spanish settlers.
*A british fleet under Thomas Graves and reinforced by Clinton arrive to hel Cornwallis.They are able to deliver a decisive blown to the french fleet and effectively end tyhe french intervention in the area.
*The british army capture New London and Groton,Connecticut.
*During a siege of Yorktown,Vriginia,George Washingtomn is shot and killed by a british soldier.This is a harsh blown for the Continentals and many people start to convert to loyalism.
*A Patent of Tolerance, providing limited freedom of worship, is approved in the Habsburg Monarchy.
*On november 5,the continental congress surround to the british.The American revolution had utterly failed.Now many await for the trials to be opened in early 1782.
*The slave ship Zong dumps its living cargo into the sea in order to claim insurance.
*Henry Hurle officially founds the Ancient Order of Druids(AOD) in London, England.
*Charles Messier publishes the final catalog of Messier objects.
*Carl Wilhelm Scheele discovers tungsten.
*John Jameson (Whisky distiller) is reported missing after diving off his ship after a barrel of his precious whiskey.
*Immanuel Kant publishes his Critique of Pure Reason.
*Jeremy Bentham formulates utilitarian ethics.
*Reverend Samuel Peters publishes his General History of Connecticut, using the term blue law for the first time.
*Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor abolishes serfdom.

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