Britain Takes Alaska During the Crimean War
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archaeogeek
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The Territory of Alaska becomes Canada's 10th province around 1910, absorbs Yukon.
If everything remains the same (honestly, it's not like the place was that relevant), Japan's only attack on the continental US during WW2 is the failed firebomb test on the west coast by I-400 submarine carriers as the Aleutian campaign is in Canadian territory. Maybe a wider PTO instead of SEATO, to account for the fact that rather important CF bases are going to be there.
If everything remains the same (honestly, it's not like the place was that relevant), Japan's only attack on the continental US during WW2 is the failed firebomb test on the west coast by I-400 submarine carriers as the Aleutian campaign is in Canadian territory. Maybe a wider PTO instead of SEATO, to account for the fact that rather important CF bases are going to be there.
archaeogeek
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She was born in Idaho
That said, given statistics, most people would probably not be the same people.
to cold, with a nasty rough sea crossing to get to a place with no strategic value, in the end, to far from where the fight was
archaeogeek
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Well, yeah, during the Crimean war, Victoria was a small coaling station of a few dozen people, Vancouver was, at best, a farm and fur trading post, and there was no way an invasion force could be supplied from the east.
If Alaska did become a Canadian province, would it retain its existing boundaries? As suggested above, It could easily absorb Yukon territory (which is quite similar geographically), which would turn the Klondike Gold Rush into the Alaska Gold Rush. On the other hand, the Alaska Panhandle is an obvious part of British Columbia geographically, but is historically the heartland of Russian Alaska, with Juneau (founded 1880), Sitka (1799) and Ketchikan (c. 1900) currently the third, fourth and fifth largest cities in Alaska. I guess that since only Sitka existed at the time of the Crimean War, the Panhandle could have been transferred to BC without any great trouble.
The thing is that Alaska wasn't much better.
Send in two or three ships and they could conquer most of Alaska.
But it was rather far out of the way. Maybe if there had been a ship in position they could have made an attempt.
archaeogeek
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British Columbia didn't really exist as a defined entity during the Crimean War. It was the province of Vancouver island and a vaguely defined series of districts making up "New Caledonia" from 1849 to 1860-ish
Considering that HM’s Naval Dockyard Esquimalt was considered the major Royal Navy presence in the Pacific, I’m amazed that the Admiralty didn’t consider putting together a naval landing force and sail up to Alaska. Now admittedly, Alaska at the time was a backwater of the Russian Empire (and that’s being generous), but I think that for the British Empire it could have been more of a symbolic blow against the Russians that an actual necessary military operation.
Ironically though, had Canada been granted Alaska, probably by the time of Unification, unless people like Hellyer and Trudeau are removed, Canada would still have a weak to non-existent role in the Arctic, with CFS Alert still being Canada’s only major Arctic installation.
Ironically though, had Canada been granted Alaska, probably by the time of Unification, unless people like Hellyer and Trudeau are removed, Canada would still have a weak to non-existent role in the Arctic, with CFS Alert still being Canada’s only major Arctic installation.
I think B.C. could end up with all of Alaska and a chunk of the Yukon due to the small population once everything is sorted out. But if it doesn't, I think Alaska would keep an enlarged panhandle. It needs the population found there.
Hopefully Trudeau would be butterflied away.
BC would probably only reach the southern tip, while Alaska would only be the panhandle, something like this:
Why do you dislike the guy who got voted 10th Greatest Canadian?
archaeogeek
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It's fashionable to blame him for Mulroney's defence cuts
Admittedly he was pretty heavy handed in Quebec... and the west, too, I guess
Talk about a gigantic province!
British Columbia = 944,735 square km or 354,764 square miles
Alaska = 1,717,854 square km or 663,268 square miles
Yukon = 482,433 square km or 186, 272 square miles
"Enlarged British Columbia" = 3,145,022 squae km or 1,204,304 square miles.
This would be twice the size of the next-largest province, Quebec. Still it would make economic sense to combine the entire (lightly-populated) Western watershed into one province.
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Couple of reasons.
The National Energy Program was enacted by him, which really hurt the West.
He badly handled the War Measures Act.
He increased Canada's debt by 83%.
These are the main reasons for me personally.
I said a little bit of the Yukon not all of it.
But that would still be too big. I think Beedok's map is closer to TTL's reality.
Yeah, but with Mercator it would look like the conquered a huge area, and Port Arthur and Vladivostok would both involve an actual fight.