Britain sells Canada

I don't see any reason why UK would do that, speciality when Canadians were pretty loyal for Brits and USA was rival of UK on 19th century.

But if UK would sell Canada, Canadians might revolt.
 
Well if the US got Nova Scotia and/or Southern Ontario during the revolution then Canada may have become non viable as a British colony so then Britain may eventually sell it to the US.

There is some talk on this forum that the UK may have sold Ruperts Land to the US but most seem to think that this was not a possiblity
 
For a good reason : talk on this forum does not necessary mean historically true not possible.

Given the situation, the means and resources of the participants in the american revolution war, if Britain had been more hardly beaten, then the it is probably not the young US that would have profited : remember how many french settlers and soldiers were in America.
 
The British were willing to cede the Ontario Peninsula in the Treaty of Paris, and the Americans wanted it - the French however, kept it out of the treaty, hoping to use it as a future thorn in the side of Anglo-American relations (it worked).

Have the British cede it, and you just ripped the heart out of modern Canada, reducing British North America to French-speaking Quebec, and Acadia, along with the holdings of the Hudson Bay Company.

This leaves the option of either subsiding a weaker, less viable Canada, or selling it in chunks to the USA for money and use as a carrot in Anglo-American relations.
 
It means decision time for those who might have been termed British Empire Loyalists to either move on again, or change the term to stabbed-in-the-back Realists.
 
The British were willing to cede the Ontario Peninsula in the Treaty of Paris, and the Americans wanted it - the French however, kept it out of the treaty, hoping to use it as a future thorn in the side of Anglo-American relations (it worked).

Have the British cede it, and you just ripped the heart out of modern Canada, reducing British North America to French-speaking Quebec, and Acadia, along with the holdings of the Hudson Bay Company.

This leaves the option of either subsiding a weaker, less viable Canada, or selling it in chunks to the USA for money and use as a carrot in Anglo-American relations.

Rolling with this, but by this time Acadia was already the Maritimes and populated by the Patriot-leaning Yankee Planters, and the new Loyalists (who were already Yankee in blood and culture). Hard to keep them away from 'murica eventually if America holds the rest of *Anglo-Canada...
 
For the shortest answer, not a chance in hell. Once the territories that became Canada were organized it would take ASB levels of crazy to get Britain to sell out British subjects. Post 1800 the British won't part with a meter of ground they don't have to.

Now they probably would have given up the sparsely populated territory that became Ontario post ARW since they had little interest in it then, but they would not sell British subjects. That's the kind of thing a government collapses over.
 
Well if the US got Nova Scotia and/or Southern Ontario during the revolution then Canada may have become non viable as a British colony so then Britain may eventually sell it to the US.

There is some talk on this forum that the UK may have sold Ruperts Land to the US but most seem to think that this was not a possiblity
Supposing that the United States controls Ontario and Quebec, and maybe British Columbia, it seems possible in the late 19th or early 20th century, as the fur trade dies off but before mineral exploitation picks up. By that point, it's just an indefensible stretch of wasteland populated by Native Americans and Metis, so it's not like there is a huge local population to object.

OTOH, you have to balance that against prestige and honor considerations and all of that. That time does not seem the most...probable for most colonial states to be swapping territory without war or the threat of war encouraging them. They might hold on to it just for the sheer point of coloring the map red.
 
The British were willing to cede the Ontario Peninsula in the Treaty of Paris, and the Americans wanted it - the French however, kept it out of the treaty, hoping to use it as a future thorn in the side of Anglo-American relations (it worked).

Didn't Britain and the U.S. negotiate a separate peace, without French input? That was my understanding.

At any rate, if the Wikipedia article on the 1783 Peace of Paris is correct, Benjamin Franklin apparently nearly convinced the British to cede Quebec (which then also included Ontario) to the U.S., before the British reconsidered.
 
For a good reason : talk on this forum does not necessary mean historically true not possible.

Given the situation, the means and resources of the participants in the american revolution war, if Britain had been more hardly beaten, then the it is probably not the young US that would have profited : remember how many french settlers and soldiers were in America.
The French had no interest in Canada. Indeed, the terms of the alliance specifically renounced any claims to it in favor of the US. They were well aware that a French Canada would be a sore spot in Franco-American relations, and that nothing in Canada came close to matching the income of a single Caribbean sugar island (which the US, by the same treaty, renounced all claims to).
 
Didn't Britain and the U.S. negotiate a separate peace, without French input? That was my understanding.

At any rate, if the Wikipedia article on the 1783 Peace of Paris is correct, Benjamin Franklin apparently nearly convinced the British to cede Quebec (which then also included Ontario) to the U.S., before the British reconsidered.

The French undermined the US during the Treaty negotiations by negotiating separately with the English where the French asked for Gibraltar to be ceded to the Spanish, amongst other things that were talked about. This showed the British they might be able to dictate terms.

http://lehrmaninstitute.org/history/treaty-of-paris.asp

A unified negotiating stance, or at least the French not directly negotiating against the US might have won the Americans some or all of the Canadian territory that the US was asking for.
 
Didn't Britain and the U.S. negotiate a separate peace, without French input? That was my understanding.

At any rate, if the Wikipedia article on the 1783 Peace of Paris is correct, Benjamin Franklin apparently nearly convinced the British to cede Quebec (which then also included Ontario) to the U.S., before the British reconsidered.

:eek: That's one hell of a PoD.
 
For the shortest answer, not a chance in hell. Once the territories that became Canada were organized it would take ASB levels of crazy to get Britain to sell out British subjects. Post 1800 the British won't part with a meter of ground they don't have to.

Now they probably would have given up the sparsely populated territory that became Ontario post ARW since they had little interest in it then, but they would not sell British subjects. That's the kind of thing a government collapses over.

The 13 Colonies were full of British subjects
 
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