Britain makes peace 1940 will there be a volunteer force sent against Russia

MY point is say on Christmas eve 1939 with Churchill aboard the Rodney is hit bytorpedoes fired at her by a u-Boat work, Churchill drowns with most of the crew. OTL until May 1940 except more ships are sunk as the Germans have reliable torpedoes (attacks in OTL that failed) Ark Royal Nelson, Rodney ,Warspite Courageous, Royal Oak cruisers Penelope, sussex, southampton,Gloucester plus numerous destroyers and the worst tragedy 2 large transports packed with troops sunk with virtually no survivors due to extreme cold water a third transport also hit but heavilly damaged finished off by Luftwaffe. Due to Destryoer losses the Battle for Narvik fails. Chamberlain resigns, Lord Halifax appointed PM, appalled by the losses off Norway and in France signs armistice in August 1940, Spain joins Axis. Now when Operation Barbarossa starts British Union of Fascists offers volunteers to fight alongside the Germans and others in the grand European Crusade What are your thoughts please be gentle Im new to this
 

Macragge1

Banned
No chance at all unfortunately. Sending a volunteer force to fight for the nation still widely regarded as the enemy would be even more controversial than making peace. At least with a settlement there is the rationale that 'British Grenadiers' will not have to die in a fight that is not theirs - sending some sort of volunteer force would undermine this totally, and worse, these lads would be dying for Herr Hitler.

Ironically, as well, by killing Churchill you've removed one of the most rabid anti-communists in the conservative party, let alone the government.

Plus, by 1939, the BUF had ceased to exist as a political entity, and this wasn't helped by Ozzie's intermnent in 1940. Even if one of the peace deals is his release (unlikely - even Hitler most likely saw him as a joke) - there's no reason to assume support would grow, let alone the ability to project a force to fight a conventional war independent of the govt.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
Aww man, what if Britain conscripted a whole bunch of troops from India, didn't tell them the flag of Germany meant Nazis and let them make their own conclusions about the propaganda and swastika? I think the entire deception could go on for at least a year, maybe three, before any of the soldiers picked up enough German to figure out the lies being fed to them. But by then you can have them trained to be paratroopers.
 
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Ironically, as well, by killing Churchill you've removed one of the most rabid anti-communists in the conservative party, let alone the government.

I largely agree with your post, but it has to be remembered that the "Mystery inside a riddle" speech went on to argue, in late 1939 when it was a highly controversial position, that Russia was not a whole-hearted German ally; and he had no subsequent qualms about working with the Soviets and praising Stalin as a "rugged war chief" in parliament.

He was an anti-communist, absolutely, but to his credit an even bigger anti-Nazist. He wouldn't encourage anyone to go and support the Nazis in their murderous agenda.

Aww man, what if Britain conscripted a whole bunch of troops from India, didn't tell them the flag of Germany meant Nazis and let them make their own conclusions about the propaganda and swastika? I think the entire deception could go on for at least a year, maybe three, before any of the soldiers picked up enough German to figure out the lies being fed to them. But by then you can have them trained to be paratroopers.

Come now. Our Indian soldiers weren't stupid or out of touch with the world, and could generally speak English (I have a photo of some Punjabis at Halfaya with "Khyber Pass to Hellfire Pass!" chalked on their vehicle). They know what's going on. Why would they volunteer for dangerous service (and brutal murder, an essential reality for all German units in the Soviet Union) in a conflict of no interest to them?

We would never conscript troops to help our erstwhile enemy. We never conscripted Indian troops at all; the BIA was famously the largest volunteer force ever raised.
 
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HJ Tulp

Donor
I think that it's pretty much a given that there will be British volunteers in the Waffen-SS. Not sure if there will be enough to form their own unit but still. Remember that there were divisions filled with people from countries actually under occupation.
 
I think that it's pretty much a given that there will be British volunteers in the Waffen-SS. Not sure if there will be enough to form their own unit but still. Remember that there were divisions filled with people from countries actually under occupation.

I could see a force of British volunteers being raised, or at least attempts to do so. A unit would be formed, I suppose; there was the British free corps, and they had maybe 30 men at any given point. But a british government not under german occupation (and lets not even start on that topic) realistically cannot raise this formation, not without being toppled by popular opinion.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
Come now. Our Indian soldiers weren't stupid or out of touch with the world, and could generally speak English (I have a photo of some Punjabis at Halfaya with "Khyber Pass to Hellfire Pass!" chalked on their vehicle). They know what's going on. Why would they volunteer for dangerous service (and brutal murder, an essential reality for all German units in the Soviet Union) in a conflict of no interest to them?

We would never conscript troops to help our erstwhile enemy. We never conscripted Indian troops at all; the BIA was famously the largest volunteer force ever raised.

Okay, I was in heavy dystopia mode there. Good to see they're bright enough not to fall for this. :D
 
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