Britain in the Axis

Is there anyway of having a far-right/Facist Britain in alliance with Fascist/Nazi Germany for World War II?

I imagine it's ASB, but considering how many Nazi symapthisers there were amongst the aristocracy and the support Mussolini got from the British media, it must have at least a slim chance.
 
It's not a simply matter of ideology: Finland was democratic, Spain fascist, but their pragmatic interests won out, and that will only be more true of a great power. And whereas Britain wanted Germany as a contented friend (alongside France against the 'outer powers', I must stress: broad Anglo-French alignment was never seriously questioned), we have nothing to gain from signing up to a German march of conquest.

I have wondered about a Britain that becomes increasingly authoritarian and reactionary holding down the workers, the Irish, and the Indians after a CP victory and ends up as a semi-dependence of the Weltreich, which is the nearest thing I can think of.
 
Have Edward VIII stay on the throne, perhaps?

No. Anyone who knows anything about British politics in the 1930s sees that this is very improbable/ASB, depending on how far back you put the PoD. Having Edward VIII just not marry Wallis Simpson is not enough.

To get Britian in the Axis, you effectively have to make the British decide that Germany dominating continental Europe is preferable to the Soviet Union existing. For this to happen you either need to get rid of Hitler, make him stop breaking his agreements or make the Soviet Union seem more threatening (this could be down by having a batshit insane Trotsky decide to start exporting the revolution).
 
I think the PoD would have to before 1900 to make anything like this happen. That being said, if the PoD happened, then Britain would have allied with Germany instead of France decades before the Great War, thus probably no Nazis in the 1930s.

After 1900, and after WWI; I suppose you could try to have the Red Menace actually be menacing, as already stated make the Nazis look preferable to the Reds. With Trotsky in charge perhaps? But even then, he probably wouldn't have had the same level of crash-industrialization as Stalin, the the USSR would be easy to destroy (not conquer it, just destroy The System).
 
No. Anyone who knows anything about British politics in the 1930s sees that this is very improbable/ASB, depending on how far back you put the PoD. Having Edward VIII just not marry Wallis Simpson is not enough.

Agreed, the monarch had lost most of their power by 1900 and was down to just using the fact that they were the fucking king to try and influence events their way.
 
Even if Mosley did become dictator of a fascist Britain is it that assured that he'd ally with Germany. He has his own powerful nation, more powerful than Hitler's presumably and he would have no desire to play second fiddle.
 

MSZ

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For the UK to ally with Germany any point, there has to be another power, even stronger than Germany. Balance of Power is the key policy here, as long as Germany is the most powerful state on the continent, the UK has no reason to ally with it. The ideology of both states is also of little matter when it comes to real deal military alliances. What does Germany have to offer to Britain anyway?

A superpower Russia/Soviet Union directly bordering Germany is the only scenario where such an alliance is possible, though for it to happen, the PoD has to be before 1920 at least.
 
It's not a simply matter of ideology: Finland was democratic, Spain fascist, but their pragmatic interests won out, and that will only be more true of a great power. And whereas Britain wanted Germany as a contented friend (alongside France against the 'outer powers', I must stress: broad Anglo-French alignment was never seriously questioned), we have nothing to gain from signing up to a German march of conquest.

I have wondered about a Britain that becomes increasingly authoritarian and reactionary holding down the workers, the Irish, and the Indians after a CP victory and ends up as a semi-dependence of the Weltreich, which is the nearest thing I can think of.
Possibly. A nice PoD might be the 'Diehards' splitting off from the Conservatives after the 1911 Parliament Act was passed and forming their own party, which comes to power on a wave of popular anger after the war is lost. Although I think they might have to get rather more non-aristocratic personnel in order to appeal to a mass electorate.
 

Eurofed

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To get Britian in the Axis, you effectively have to make the British decide that Germany dominating continental Europe is preferable to the Soviet Union existing. For this to happen you either need to get rid of Hitler, make him stop breaking his agreements or make the Soviet Union seem more threatening (this could be down by having a batshit insane Trotsky decide to start exporting the revolution).

Full agreement on this.

After 1900, and after WWI; I suppose you could try to have the Red Menace actually be menacing, as already stated make the Nazis look preferable to the Reds. With Trotsky in charge perhaps? But even then, he probably wouldn't have had the same level of crash-industrialization as Stalin, the the USSR would be easy to destroy (not conquer it, just destroy The System).

Actually the economic programs of Stalin and Trotzki were fairly similar, so the strength of a Trotzkist USSR would not be radically different.
 
How about Poles lose Battle of Warsaw, Trotsky successful and triumphant is better choice than Stalin (or he purges Stalin being stronger). Communists are stronger in Germany and Hitler gets killed in clashes with Commies. Some German Mussolini acends in Germany. Hungary remains commie, other regional countries are either unstable on the verge of commie takeover. Spain falls to commis. France has problem with commie terrorism, much like OTL West Germany or Italy.
 
For the UK to ally with Germany any point, there has to be another power, even stronger than Germany. Balance of Power is the key policy here, as long as Germany is the most powerful state on the continent, the UK has no reason to ally with it. The ideology of both states is also of little matter when it comes to real deal military alliances. What does Germany have to offer to Britain anyway?

A superpower Russia/Soviet Union directly bordering Germany is the only scenario where such an alliance is possible, though for it to happen, the PoD has to be before 1920 at least.

Agreed, since the 18th century Britain has only been about maintaining the balance of power on the continent while expanding it's power abroad. To get UK and Germany on the same side in WWII requires communists in power in Spain and maybe a couple Eastern European countries and a Soviet Union that gets aggressive before Germany does.
 

Eurofed

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How about Poles lose Battle of Warsaw, Trotsky successful and triumphant is better choice than Stalin (or he purges Stalin being stronger). Communists are stronger in Germany and Hitler gets killed in clashes with Commies. Some German Mussolini acends in Germany. Hungary remains commie, other regional countries are either unstable on the verge of commie takeover. Spain falls to commis. France has problem with commie terrorism, much like OTL West Germany or Italy.

A German Mussolini is quite possible if Hitler is thrown under the bus early enough, but even more likely is a nationalist-conservative regime change spearheaded by the Heer that restores a semi-authoritarian Honenzollern monarchy. Panicked by the Communist expansion in Eastern Europe, the Entente lifts many (and in due time, all) military limitations and reparations on Germany and allows the Anschluss to happen. Poland is overrun as per PoD (Germany in all likelihood is able to re-establish the 1807 or even the 1914 border during its military collapse), Hungary stays Communist if the Soviet win early enough and the Baltic states are encircled and overrun. Dunno if it is feasible for post-WWI Romania to fall to the Reds if the Communist regime is stabilized in Hungary. It is too late for the Soviets to help the Reds win the Finnish Civil War, however.

The USSR would surely sponsor Communist agitation in Western and Central Europe, and anti-colonial unrest in India and Southeast Asia, in all likelihood to no avail, but pissing off the Western powers to no end. They would also throw a lot of support to the CCP in the Chinese Civil War. They may aslo try to destabilize Persia.

I highly doubt Spain would ever manage to fall to the Communists, however. The European powers would throw a lot of support to any anti-Communist proxy in a SCW equivalent and basically out-supply any aid the Soviets may send to Spanish Reds (if necessary, the European powers may easily blockade Spain and stop any such aid). ITTL a united anti-Communist front of Germany, Italy, France, and Britain would take form well before the SCW in all likelihood. Soviet expansion in Eastern Europe and aggressive attitude in Asia would quite suffice to prompt its formation.
 
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