Britain doesn't cede Northwest Territory to the USA in the ARW

Oddball

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The main problem with this idea is that it is difficult to envision Britain keeping all of Canada without also taking sizeable other areas up to and including keeping all of the colonies.

Could you elaborate? :confused:

GB did keep all of Canada OTL, or have I missed something here? :confused:
 
Removing the British from North America? IT's a useful plan, I'd think.

Not as useful as removing them from India, the Caribbean or Ireland.

It's like sending troops to Ireland.

Except Ireland is 15x closer and the French record of successfully landing troops there was rather spotty.

They successfully managed to land 1,100 people in Ireland and later failed when trying to land 3,000 with the convoy captured.

The largest attempt of course was 14,000 men form Brest and that never landed anywhere because it was a little too windy (of course friendly harbours would help to offset this a little).

I should note, of course, that the French could dispatch fleets to the Caribbean as late as 1804 and 1805.

Yet the Britsih were able to rest control of the Caribbean from them rather convincingly before and after Amiens, it should also be noted that the French waited until they concluded a preliminary peace with Britain to send forces to Haiti and wrote it off again once war recommenced.

If the French have troops to spare taking a shot at Ireland makes far more sense than America which is much further, more straining on logistics, has less potential to decisively affect the war and bring land into the French sphere.
 
Not as useful as removing them from India, the Caribbean or Ireland.

Perhaps, but it's easier than the Carribean (since there's a local nation nearby); less risky than Ireland (see previous comment) and arguably more useful than India (since advisors could have a better effect than advisors to Tipu Sultan).

The largest attempt of course was 14,000 men form Brest and that never landed anywhere because it was a little too windy (of course friendly harbours would help to offset this a little).

A little? I think you underestimate the problem of invading across the sea in this era.

Yet the Britsih were able to rest control of the Caribbean from them rather convincingly before and after Amiens, it should also be noted that the French waited until they concluded a preliminary peace with Britain to send forces to Haiti and wrote it off again once war recommenced.

The fact that it was a quagmire certainly helped; and note that the British couldn't take Santo Domingo either; also writing it off.

f the French have troops to spare taking a shot at Ireland makes far more sense than America which is much further, more straining on logistics, has less potential to decisively affect the war and bring land into the French sphere.

Arguably this US is already within the French sphere.
 
Perhaps, but it's easier than the Carribean (since there's a local nation nearby); less risky than Ireland (see previous comment) and arguably more useful than India (since advisors could have a better effect than advisors to Tipu Sultan).

I can't see Ireland being less risky, if things go pear shaped then the troops can be easily pulled out.

Should your allies in American turn on you or refuse to finance your army (once it is cut off) then that army is up a creek.

I certainly can't see that an American adventure is so much easier that it offset the huge disparity in potential reward.

A little? I think you underestimate the problem of invading across the sea in this era.

Now imagine invading across 3,500 miles of ocean.

The fact that it was a quagmire certainly helped; and note that the British couldn't take Santo Domingo either; also writing it off.

But the fact is that the French did try to get it back but only when the Britsih allowed them a window and once the window closed the French couldn't maintain their campaign.

Arguably this US is already within the French sphere.

The US wasn't a puppet government which Ireland would certainly have been.

If the French had helped the USA their likely reward would have been getting told to shove off and probably having Louisiana attacked in a few years (Anglo-American relation post 7YW were viewed in such a fashion by the French as were Franco-American relations during the latter stage of the ARW).

Ireland would have to play ball with France because they would need France to defend them from a British reconquest.
 
Thanks for clarifying your comment. Yes, I agree with you, the Natives had a problem with British, and later American whites entering and taking over their land. However, from a British POV, they're the ones with the problem. The land, they believed, belonged to the British crown and the Natives refused to recognize the new reality in the land. That's how I was looking at it. If this thread were a WI regarding the Natives resisting European encroachment on their land, I would have looked at it from their POV.
 
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