Brewster Buffalo - The Fighter that won the Second World War TL

A short timeline - Brewster Buffalo - The Fighter that won the Second World War

After Munich crisis it was clear that a new world war was about to come. Large and small countries alike tried to purchase new combat aircrafts for their air forces. In the USA, a small company called Brewster had scored a major success selling it's innovative F2A1 to the US Navy. Brewster smelled the amount of money to be made in military contracts and engaged up in a major marketing campaign for it's fighter - Buffalo. As Brewster could not manufacture enough Buffalos to suit the demand a quick fix had to be found. That was the license production deal with General Motors which rapidly built up a new plant to produce FM-1's (in TTL, Buffalos).

In Britain the demand for modern fighters was acute. For interceptor duties - considered to be the most important - the superb Spitfire was entering service. However, the production had not yet ramped up and additional planes had to be ordered. Brewster offered it's Buffalo which was evaluated to be clearly superior to Hurricane. As a result, Hurricane production could be terminated

By Autumn 1939 Brewster-239's were flowing into RAF, FAA and Armee de l'Air service. In addition to these major clients the ability to deliver fighters quickly was not lost by small countries. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium and Turkey all placed orders for the magnificent Brewster product.

In 1939 the RAF Bomber Command found out numerous problems, such as alarming tendency of it's planes getting found by German fighters and getting shot down. This was clearly not to be tolerated, thus something had to be done. Looking at RAF inventory it was found out that the stubby new American fighter had the range to fly from East Anglia to Berlin and back. In practice, the combat radius would cover only Northern Germany but that was enough. During the Sitzkrieg a number of training sorties were made to improve co-operation between British bombers and their escort fighters.

Sitzkrieg wasn't Sitzkrieg in the Scandinavia. On 30 November 1939 Soviet Union attacked Finland. The first Brewsters joined the fight on Christmas Eve as planes delivered for Sweden were diverted to the Finnish Air Force. Serving in the creme de la creme Lentolaivue 24 the planes were found out to be perfect for tactics developed pre war - vertical fight instead of turning fight, swarm (parvi) instead of vics and vees. The British air attache sent to Finland to observe the war took quick notice and decided to send the Finnish experiences directly to newly formed Brewster squadrons instead of routing them through the machinery of Air Ministry. Naval attache did likewise for the FAA.

The fighting in Scandinavia did not end in March 13 when Soviet Union and Finland made an armistice. On 9 April 1940 Germany attacked Denmark and Norway. Danish Buffalos were still in their crates but some examples of Norwegian Buffalos engaged in fighting, mostly in vain.

On 10 April 1940 the FAA Buffalos entered the fight escorting Blackburn Skuas bombing Bergen. An innovative FAA officer Commander Fitz-Jones noticed Skuas poor range and noticed that Buffalo could be modified to carry an observer and to carry a single 500lb bomb. Throughout his aunt, Hyacinth Bucket, operating in back chambers of London society he could make sure that these modified Buffalos - Bukefaloses - could enter service in late summer 1940.

The first real test for Buffalos came in during Battle of France. Belgian and French Buffalos were all employed against German war machine but achieved little due to poor tactics and deployment. With RAF Buffalos it was entirely different matter. The squadrons using Buffalo had adapted Finnish tactics which were as advanced as German schwarm. Buffalo could take an enormous amount of punishment and it's four .50 caliber machine guns packed up a real punch unlike .303's Hurricanes and Spitfires were using.

The Battle of Britain was Buffalo's finest hour alongside the Spitfire. This had an enormous propaganda impact in the United States as it could be seen that US products were visibly protection the UK. Although not having as good performance as Spitfires, the better tactics, ability to take damage and heavy punch of .50 cal machine guns ensured that Buffalo gained reputation as trustworthy bomber killer.

In the Mediterranean the Buffalos and modified Bukefaloses were found out to match Italian Air Force aircraft, whether employed over the Mediterranean or the Western Desert. Buffalo was found out to be good ground attack plane as well due to it's handsome low-level flying qualities. Buffalo-Bukefalos-Swordfish air wings proved to be a winning combination in FAA hands.

In 1941 the improved Buffalo - F2A-3 in USN use, Buffalo II in RAF use, entered service. Employing more powerful engine the plane proved to be, if not a match at least capable of facing Bf-109F's. Buffalo II also had the external fuel tanks and was capable of flying from East Anglia to Ruhr. It was the plane of choice as RAF's Bomber Command started it's bomber offensive on Germany. Night sorties were possible without escort, but they didn't hit anything and did not force Luftwaffe day fighters to fight. Bukefalos dive bombers were used as "commando bombers" - pathfinders and against specific high value targets. In time RAF's day bombing campaign forced more and more day fighter units tasked to defense of the Reich duties instead of being sent to East Front or the Mediterranean to support succesful Heer campaigns.

The plane had exhausted it's upgrade potential and quite curiously, like Supermarine, Brewster never designed a succesful combat plane. In fact, as Brewsters management was a complete shamble the fine design team was broken up in 1941.

But still, the Buffalo II served as an important Allied fighter until 1943 when new long-range fighters such as Grumman Hellcat and North American Mustang entered service. Onboard escort carriers it served to the end of the war operating in ASW and CAS tasks.

There was still one theater for which Buffalo was actually designed for and where it became a true legend. When Japan attacked Malaya the RAF contingent was poorly led but it's fighters were top notch and trained - albeit badly - in new tactics. The Malayan Campaign, as it is well known, was the beginnign of the Japanese string of failures which made even Italian war effort look good.

It was no wonder that flight of now obsolete Buffalos was included both in VE Victory Parade in June 1944 and VJ Victory Parade in October 1944.:D
 
LOL awesome! Buffalo to the rescue! :D

Sort of TTL's Hurricane.

Jukra, one of these days you might just sell me on that Buffalo. ;)
 
You're just TRYING to wind up CalBear, aren't you...:D:D


However...just how is the F2A1 'clearly superior' to the Hurricane?

Even the Mk 1 Hurricane was faster, climbed faster, had a higher ceiling, and delivered more firepower, and had armour for the pilot...(and the Mk2, already being developed when on your timescale the Buffalo would arrive, was rather better).

The only advantage the buffalo had was its range, and as at that point in time no-one realised bombers would need escorts....

I could see the buffalo going to the other countries mentioned, just not to the UK.
 
I'm pretty certain Jukra is using the variant equipped with a 1200 hp engine and four .50 MGs as his showcase. That particular version was (overall) the (early war) Hurricane's equal.
 
I'm pretty certain Jukra is using the variant equipped with a 1200 hp engine and four .50 MGs as his showcase. That particular version was (overall) the (early war) Hurricane's equal.

Was that available in 38 (his timeframe?) - at that point it seems to have had a 900-odd hp engine...

Waiting for CalBear to wake up.....:D
 
Jukra, did you just finish eating a plum or is that your tongue in your cheek? A minor suggestion: "The Fighter that helped win the Second World War"? And Bukefaloses? Buffaloes never liked weight. ie: F2A-3.
 
The only advantage the buffalo had was its range, and as at that point in time no-one realised bombers would need escorts....

I could see the buffalo going to the other countries mentioned, just not to the UK.

Tongue in cheek? Well....perhaps JUST a LITTLE...:rolleyes:

Finnish pilots who had opportunity to fly both Hurricane I and Hurricane II considered B-239 to be clearly superior in low and medium altitudes. Hurricane was widely known as "flame bait" due to it's tendency to catch fire easily. Hans Wind, the second most scoring Finnish ace considered Hurricane to be slow, clumsy and stiff below 10 000 feet and depending mostly upon Finnish pilots good will to survive.

And I must stress out that Finnish planes had armor installed and were operating with 87 octane fuel.
 

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I think you have a typo in the Thread Title.

You mean the FIRST World War don't you?:confused::confused:

You can't possibily mean WW II. An under powered (even WITH the bigger engine), under armed, poorly made, hunk o'crap with no redeeming features worth mentioning isn't going to win the war.

Unless you mean for the Germans. In that case, you might have a point.
 
CalBear, I agree that they were poorly made, but there must be some reason the Finns had 36 aces with 44 aircraft. More highly rated than Fiat CR42, MS 406 and Fokker DXXI, they shot dowm I-16's and Mig-3's in bunches. The Zekes that attacked Midway were the cream of IJN pilots and Wildcats didn't do any better. The defenders did not have altitude advantage which meant they had a disadvantage. British handling of Buffaloes in Burma and Singapore was systemically abysmal but there were aces made, nonetheless. Hurricanes and Fulmars over Ceylon didn't fare well against the exact same pilots.
 
A short timeline - Brewster Buffalo - The Fighter that won the Second World War

After Munich crisis it was clear that a new world war was about to come. Large and small countries alike tried to purchase new combat aircrafts for their air forces. In the USA, a small company called Brewster had scored a major success selling it's innovative F2A1 to the US Navy. Brewster smelled the amount of money to be made in military contracts and engaged up in a major marketing campaign for it's fighter - Buffalo. As Brewster could not manufacture enough Buffalos to suit the demand a quick fix had to be found. That was the license production deal with General Motors which rapidly built up a new plant to produce FM-1's (in TTL, Buffalos).

In Britain the demand for modern fighters was acute. For interceptor duties - considered to be the most important - the superb Spitfire was entering service. However, the production had not yet ramped up and additional planes had to be ordered. Brewster offered it's Buffalo which was evaluated to be clearly superior to Hurricane. As a result, Hurricane production could be terminated

By Autumn 1939 Brewster-239's were flowing into RAF, FAA and Armee de l'Air service. In addition to these major clients the ability to deliver fighters quickly was not lost by small countries. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium and Turkey all placed orders for the magnificent Brewster product.

In 1939 the RAF Bomber Command found out numerous problems, such as alarming tendency of it's planes getting found by German fighters and getting shot down. This was clearly not to be tolerated, thus something had to be done. Looking at RAF inventory it was found out that the stubby new American fighter had the range to fly from East Anglia to Berlin and back. In practice, the combat radius would cover only Northern Germany but that was enough. During the Sitzkrieg a number of training sorties were made to improve co-operation between British bombers and their escort fighters.

Sitzkrieg wasn't Sitzkrieg in the Scandinavia. On 30 November 1939 Soviet Union attacked Finland. The first Brewsters joined the fight on Christmas Eve as planes delivered for Sweden were diverted to the Finnish Air Force. Serving in the creme de la creme Lentolaivue 24 the planes were found out to be perfect for tactics developed pre war - vertical fight instead of turning fight, swarm (parvi) instead of vics and vees. The British air attache sent to Finland to observe the war took quick notice and decided to send the Finnish experiences directly to newly formed Brewster squadrons instead of routing them through the machinery of Air Ministry. Naval attache did likewise for the FAA.

The fighting in Scandinavia did not end in March 13 when Soviet Union and Finland made an armistice. On 9 April 1940 Germany attacked Denmark and Norway. Danish Buffalos were still in their crates but some examples of Norwegian Buffalos engaged in fighting, mostly in vain.

On 10 April 1940 the FAA Buffalos entered the fight escorting Blackburn Skuas bombing Bergen. An innovative FAA officer Commander Fitz-Jones noticed Skuas poor range and noticed that Buffalo could be modified to carry an observer and to carry a single 500lb bomb. Throughout his aunt, Hyacinth Bucket, operating in back chambers of London society he could make sure that these modified Buffalos - Bukefaloses - could enter service in late summer 1940.

The first real test for Buffalos came in during Battle of France. Belgian and French Buffalos were all employed against German war machine but achieved little due to poor tactics and deployment. With RAF Buffalos it was entirely different matter. The squadrons using Buffalo had adapted Finnish tactics which were as advanced as German schwarm. Buffalo could take an enormous amount of punishment and it's four .50 caliber machine guns packed up a real punch unlike .303's Hurricanes and Spitfires were using.

The Battle of Britain was Buffalo's finest hour alongside the Spitfire. This had an enormous propaganda impact in the United States as it could be seen that US products were visibly protection the UK. Although not having as good performance as Spitfires, the better tactics, ability to take damage and heavy punch of .50 cal machine guns ensured that Buffalo gained reputation as trustworthy bomber killer.

In the Mediterranean the Buffalos and modified Bukefaloses were found out to match Italian Air Force aircraft, whether employed over the Mediterranean or the Western Desert. Buffalo was found out to be good ground attack plane as well due to it's handsome low-level flying qualities. Buffalo-Bukefalos-Swordfish air wings proved to be a winning combination in FAA hands.

In 1941 the improved Buffalo - F2A-3 in USN use, Buffalo II in RAF use, entered service. Employing more powerful engine the plane proved to be, if not a match at least capable of facing Bf-109F's. Buffalo II also had the external fuel tanks and was capable of flying from East Anglia to Ruhr. It was the plane of choice as RAF's Bomber Command started it's bomber offensive on Germany. Night sorties were possible without escort, but they didn't hit anything and did not force Luftwaffe day fighters to fight. Bukefalos dive bombers were used as "commando bombers" - pathfinders and against specific high value targets. In time RAF's day bombing campaign forced more and more day fighter units tasked to defense of the Reich duties instead of being sent to East Front or the Mediterranean to support succesful Heer campaigns.

The plane had exhausted it's upgrade potential and quite curiously, like Supermarine, Brewster never designed a succesful combat plane. In fact, as Brewsters management was a complete shamble the fine design team was broken up in 1941.

But still, the Buffalo II served as an important Allied fighter until 1943 when new long-range fighters such as Grumman Hellcat and North American Mustang entered service. Onboard escort carriers it served to the end of the war operating in ASW and CAS tasks.

There was still one theater for which Buffalo was actually designed for and where it became a true legend. When Japan attacked Malaya the RAF contingent was poorly led but it's fighters were top notch and trained - albeit badly - in new tactics. The Malayan Campaign, as it is well known, was the beginnign of the Japanese string of failures which made even Italian war effort look good.

It was no wonder that flight of now obsolete Buffalos was included both in VE Victory Parade in June 1944 and VJ Victory Parade in October 1944.:D

If the Brewster Company had been better run, there's a good chance this scenario could have become reality.
 

Markus

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When Japan attacked Malaya the RAF contingent was poorly led but it's fighters were top notch and trained - albeit badly - in new tactics.

WTF?

tar: check!
feathers: check!
pitchfork: check!
plane ticket to Finnland: check! :D




You can't possibily mean WW II. An under powered (even WITH the bigger engine), under armed, poorly made, hunk o'crap with no redeeming features worth mentioning isn't going to win the war.

Check his TL CalBear.

The Buffalo is made by General Motor´s Eastern Division, not those imbeciles at Brewster.
Its not underarmed either. It has 4*.50 guns, the same number as the P-51B/C had.
He is also (sort-of) right about the range. Spits and Hurricanes had 80 to 90 gallons of internal fuel, the early Buffalos 160 the F2A-3 240 :eek:.
During the Battle of France the LW used the Me 109E-3, this plane had imperfect armour protection, no self-sealing fuel tanks and a top speed of 535 kph.
And in the Med even Gladiator biplanes could defeat anything the Italians had.


And now to the parts of the TL I don´t agree with:

The french fighter pilots were very good. They made the MS 406 a plane to be taken seriously.
The Buffalo was overweight!!! Even with a 1,300hp engine I would not send her anywhere near a Me109-F, especially not the version with app. 240 gallons of fuel.
For the same reason I think you can not turn her into a fighter-bomber. But that won´t be necessary as the Buccaneer will be available for dive-bombing.


edit: What´s a Buffalo-wank without The Sweeping Saga of the Brewster Buffalo?
 
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On 10 April 1940 the FAA Buffalos entered the fight escorting Blackburn Skuas bombing Bergen. An innovative FAA officer Commander Fitz-Jones noticed Skuas poor range and noticed that Buffalo could be modified to carry an observer and to carry a single 500lb bomb. Throughout his aunt, Hyacinth Bucket, operating in back chambers of London society he could make sure that these modified Buffalos - Bukefaloses - could enter service in late summer 1940.
:):):):):):)
 
Its not underarmed either. It has 4*.50 guns, the same number as the P-51B/C had.

Frankly I did not remember that most of the Buffalos did not have four .50 cals, but an odd mix of weapons and in worst case four .303's.

The Buffalo was overweight!!! Even with a 1,300hp engine I would not send her anywhere near a Me109-F, especially not the version with app. 240 gallons of fuel.

But the Powers to Be sent Hurricane II's and P-40's against Me-109F's, both markedly inferior planes to even properly maintained B-239, so it's quite an improvement from OTL. The Allies don't need superior plane against Germany, just something which can reliably operate over most of the Reich and shoot something down occasionally.

For the same reason I think you can not turn her into a fighter-bomber. But that won´t be necessary as the Buccaneer will be available for dive-bombing.

Buffalo was quite spacious, so housing an observer won't be hard (FAF used B-239's spacious room for liaison flights.) The performance will be worse than Buffalo, sure, but the idea is to get something much better than Skua, Roc or Fulmar in the air.

edit: What´s a Buffalo-wank without The Sweeping Saga of the Brewster Buffalo?

Ah, sorry, there's simply shortage of Really Good Ideas, thus they resurface as different incarnations...;)

The only thing really missing from your timeline is this, designed as Fw-200 Condor killer, produced initially in small numbers and used with great success in the Pacific against Japanese patrol planes.

tbuff.jpg
 
The General Motors Herd. Dubbabuffalo. Big Hurt. Meteorological Phenomenon. Seismic Disturbance. What's the name, Jukra?
 
And in the previous incarnation, the Buffalo was made in the Consolidated plant in Buffalo, and arguing with Larry Bell about space delayed production.
 

Markus

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But the Powers to Be sent Hurricane II's and P-40's against Me-109F's, both markedly inferior planes to even properly maintained B-239, so it's quite an improvement from OTL. The Allies don't need superior plane against Germany, just something which can reliably operate over most of the Reich and shoot something down occasionally.

relative empty weight increase of US fighters from prototype onwards:

F6F: 3,2%
F4F: 14%
P-40: 21,7%
F2A: 31,5%

The early wildcats could carry 2*100lb boms, the FM-2 2*250lb so a 500lb bomb in 41 is bit early. And the speed: 512 vs. 630 kph. Plus the Me109 was designed to be a fast climber, something no Buffalo could ever be. At least not with decent protection and firepower.



The only thing really missing from your timeline is this, designed as Fw-200 Condor killer, produced initially in small numbers and used with great success in the Pacific against Japanese patrol planes.
:D:D:D:D
 

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All kidding aside, the Buffalo, much like the F4F, was never going to be a long term answer either off carrier decks or on the ground. Both aircraft were transitional designs, bridging the days of the biplane carrier fighter and the monoplane. Even the designs are clearly half in the old world




F3F

and half in the new


F2A





F4F

Neither of them had much room left to develop in the basic airframe. Even with the the R-1830-94, you are left with a 325 MPH fighter with lousy climb rate and limited range (the more powerful engine would have wreaked havoc with the endurance of the Buffalo, which was achieved by overburdening the aircraft with fuel, something that also impacted the plane's ability to maneuver).

Could a Buffalo built by a competent factory have been better? Sure. Unfortunately, the base problems of the design (including the rather nasty habit of spitting up the landing gear when landing on a carrier) were beyond an easy fix like change in management of the Works. Could it have been modified to deal with the later marks of the Bf-109, starting with the "E" model and the later "G" version, much less the Fw-190? Not a prayer.

Much of this holds true for the Wildcat, which was mainly separated from the Buffalo by quality control at the factory and generally better materials, which is why the F4F was shunted off to duty on CVE's as soon as the Hellcat (which had some family resemblence to the earlier Grumman design, but was actually a clean sheet of paper creation) became available.

Built around THE American radial engine of the war, the P&W R-2800 Double Wasp (the powerplant shared by the F6F, F4U, F7F, F8F, P-47, P-61, as well as the A-26, B-26, Ventura, and even the SB2A) the F6F was part of the next generation of warplanes that included the F4U, P-47, Typhoon, Fw-190, La-7 and even the ill-fated N1K1-J. All of these aircraft were greatly improved over their immediate ancestors, were refined and modifed throughout the war, and would, in turn, be surpassed by the F8F, P-51, Tempest, Sea Fury, & La-9 before the end of the Piston era.

There was only one airframe from the 1930's that was able to keep up with the massive changes as WW II progressed, and it wasn't designed from day one to be a carrier fighter. It wasn't even designed in America.

It was built by Supermarine.
 
Could a Buffalo built by a competent factory have been better? Sure. Unfortunately, the base problems of the design (including the rather nasty habit of spitting up the landing gear when landing on a carrier) were beyond an easy fix like change in management of the Works. Could it have been modified to deal with the later marks of the Bf-109, starting with the "E" model and the later "G" version, much less the Fw-190? Not a prayer.

Against G or FW-190? No way. Against F? With a better pilot and adaptive tactics, just maybe. Overall, you're written a very good evaluation where the pics are especially useful. Then again I have to remind you that even in 1943 Allied air forces were flying even worse aircraft, such as Hurricanes and P-40's, extensively.

As for building standards that's the real killer. In FAF service the reputation of it's building standards was good and FAF had the opportunity to review an impressive array of the early war fighters either as opponents or in FAF service. But then again, Finnish B-239's weren't assembled by Brewster but in SAAB Tröllhattan whose reputation of quality was and is something out of a different planet.
 
This is a picture that some people might take for a what-if, but in fact it represents a real history plane. Belgium ordered the Buffalo, and at least one was given Belgian markings and tested by Belgian experts in the US. However, Belgium was overrun before the Buffaloes were delivered.

Brewster Buffalo belgische Luftwaffe bei Testflug in den USA.jpg
 
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