Brazil Receives Angola Post-Independence

This topic hasn't really been brought up in a while so I was wondering what people thought of it.

Suppose that Brazil was able to obtain Angola in its independence settlement. IRL the treaty they signed prevented Brazil from claiming colonies. However, those in Luanda seemed to be sympathetic to Rio de Janeiro and the two countries have a really connected economy, especially in the slave trade. So let's just say Portugal leaves that clause out (perhaps if there is some strong anti-Lisbon sentiment) and Brazil is able to successfully claim Angola.

How would Angola develop in the years following? Would Brazil push from the expansion of the colony and invest in infrastructure or would they simply let it be a slave trading colony? When would Angola reasonably declare independence from Brazil?
 
Brazil now has even easier access to slaves, which should be a prickly issue in international relations when the western nations start opposing the practice. The slave trade will be more significant, but other trade will be bigger as well.

Might Brazilian plantation owners opt to invest in setting up shop in Angola?

Brazil may open Angola up to immigration. Angola's highland interior is fine for non-African settlement and is something of a breadbasket. You can deal with malaria around Luanda similarly to how it was dealt with in Brazil proper or a place like New Orleans OTL.

Brazil will probably be more interested in aggressive African expansion than Portugal, no? Namibia, Katanga, and Congo are going to be priority matters for Brazil.

How will Brazil treat or integrate Kongolese nobility? Would the King of Kongo be paying homage to the Emperor of Brazil?

If Brazil still becomes a Republic, perhaps the Brazilian royal family flees to Luanda. But I can more realistically see Brazil integrating Angola than Portugal did OTL.
 
Brasil could argue that its ships are transporting slaves internally and that an international ban does not apply to them. Might lead to conflict with Western powers, especially post American Civil War
Could easily see a transatlantic Brazilian Empire developing, though.
 
There was a revolt in luanda in 1822 IIRC, it didn't go anywhere, but one could imagine it did.

After independance they could have seized it during the liberal war, it's a miracle portugal didn't lose any colony at the time.
 
This would make Mozambique and Timor even more vulnerable. The Portuguese may lost all of their colonies and colonial outpost in the following decades.
 

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make pedro the second hit his head while paying hide and seek and we can get slavery to last well into the 20th century.
maybe we even get a transatlantic oligarchic republic controlled by slaveowners by 1900
Now, how to make things better than otl in a scenario where brazil gets african colonies, that's something i didnt think of yet.
 
make pedro the second hit his head while paying hide and seek and we can get slavery to last well into the 20th century.
maybe we even get a transatlantic oligarchic republic controlled by slaveowners by 1900
Now, how to make things better than otl in a scenario where brazil gets african colonies, that's something i didnt think of yet.
Brasil is gonna be the blackest country of America after Haiti.
 
Brasil could argue that its ships are transporting slaves internally and that an international ban does not apply to them. Might lead to conflict with Western powers, especially post American Civil War
Could easily see a transatlantic Brazilian Empire developing, though.
They could just do what Britain and the other western powers did: call them indentured servants. Britain did this throughout Africa, including Mozambique (where they managed zones for Portugal), setting up conditions/taxes so onerous that the natives had little choice but to 'voluntarily' subject themselves to being indentured. you can abuse native minorities all you want as long as you don't call them slaves.
 
They could just do what Britain and the other western powers did: call them indentured servants. Britain did this throughout Africa, including Mozambique (where they managed zones for Portugal), setting up conditions/taxes so onerous that the natives had little choice but to 'voluntarily' subject themselves to being indentured. you can abuse native minorities all you want as long as you don't call them slaves.
Ah, the "truth".
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This topic hasn't really been brought up in a while so I was wondering what people thought of it.

Suppose that Brazil was able to obtain Angola in its independence settlement. IRL the treaty they signed prevented Brazil from claiming colonies. However, those in Luanda seemed to be sympathetic to Rio de Janeiro and the two countries have a really connected economy, especially in the slave trade. So let's just say Portugal leaves that clause out (perhaps if there is some strong anti-Lisbon sentiment) and Brazil is able to successfully claim Angola.

How would Angola develop in the years following? Would Brazil push from the expansion of the colony and invest in infrastructure or would they simply let it be a slave trading colony? When would Angola reasonably declare independence from Brazil?

Hmm. To get this you have to have either a D.Pedro which is willing to give up his dynastic interests in exchange for Brazilian interests, or have someone else leading Brazil. D.Pedro was willing to concede a lot(some of which wasn't exactly his to concede) to still be the heir to the Portuguese throne as well as Emperor of Brazil; Brazilian ties to Angola were just one of the things he did sacrifice for that: Brazil assumed Portuguese debts incurred during the War of Independence, as well as agreed to pay an indemnity to Portugal for becoming independent; D.João VI was given the honorary title of Emperor of Brazil, and it was stated in the treaty that formalized Brazilian independence that Portugal willing gave Brazil its independence; also, for brokering the treaty between both countries, Britain got an extension of trade privileges they had in Brazil since 1810, and Brazil promised to end the transatlantic slave trade.

Since Portugal wouldn't compromise on the Angola matter(it was one of their main aims), to get Angola you have to have a completely different treaty between Brazil and Portugal, and Brazilian presence in Africa would be just one of the effects of this.
 
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