Branches of the Valois

[Janprimus]

I guess it would also depend on what the duke of Burgundy's relationship with his son/half-brother-in-law is like, I suppose. Charles might treat Carlos similarly to how he treated Edward IV - he only supported him when it was in his (Burgundy)'s interests to do so, and wanted his help taking on France, but then didn't actually want him (Edward) in any territory controlled by Burgundy IIRC. So Edward flipped him the bird and the result was the Treaty of Picquigny.

Besides, wasn't Carlos (or Juan II) ICR which, extremely pro-French while the other was anti-French?

Well the instincts of Karel de Stoute (Charles the Bold, literally, which is probably best translated from Dutch to French as Charles le Hardi, not Charles le Téméraire, which fits the narrative of Royal French adversaries better) weren't that bad there, since that was the basic idea; however he utterly lacked the diplomatic finesse to accomplish this. For all his ambitions he never could live up to his father Philippe le Bon/Filips de Goede.

 

[JonasResende]

Well the instincts of Karel de Stoute (Charles the Bold, literally, which is probably best translated from Dutch to French as Charles le Hardi, not Charles le Téméraire, which fits the narrative of Royal French adversaries better) weren't that bad there, since that was the basic idea; however he utterly lacked the diplomatic finesse to accomplish this. For all his ambitions he never could live up to his father Philippe le Bon/Filips de Goede.

Agreed about him not being able to live up to his father and grandpa's diplomatic maneuvring.

Something I was wondering about his male-line grandson (son of the fictitious Charles II (b.1470) and an Aragonese princess) born sometime in the 1490s: Would Charles VIII/Louis XII be more willing to agree to a match for their daughter (in lieu of either having a son), to the duke of Burgundy than the comte d'Angoulême? Or was the choice of François specifically bespoke tailored in the sense of "Well, I don't have a son, let's marry my daughter, the duchess of Brittany, to the guy who's gonna inherit after me"? This is taking Louise of Savoy's machinations out of the equation.