Bourbons flee to the New World following Napoleons invasion of Spain. Names for a resulting Empire?

The best way to ensure stability of any Spanish Empire in America, whether one ruled from Spain, or ruled from Americas, would raising legal status of criollos to be equal with peninsulares.
Spanish broke cardinal rule of any imperialist: keep local elites happy to act as convenient middleman with locals. Spanish Empire was too big to be ruled directly from Madrid.

Cadiz Cortes claimed sovereignty over entire Spanish Empire, something that criollos resented.
This is something that alternate king of Spain could exploit in his struggle with Spanish Cortes.
Give them autonomy by legally removing colonies from under rule of Peninsular Cortes, giving them their own Cortes (one for each viceroyalty), ruling them as independent kingdoms under personal union.
This would be too much for Spanish Cortes, which could somehow manage to overthrow him, so he'd escape to Americas, and keep local thrones, since he'd be convenient for criollos as symbol against Peninsular attempts to reconquer them. He'd reign over loosely aligned union of Latin American states.
 
Last edited:
Would be the reverse in la plata and paraguya, i can see Chile and Nueva granada going full independance alongside Venezuela and Ecuador, Peru might want a new king too

Why would Nueva Granada rebel instead of get a King? I know Simon Bolivar was Venezuela and Probably the Capitanacy of Venezuela will Declare his Independence, But New Granada and Ecuador have to be "liberate" from the Spanish Rule, and I don´t know of their homegrown independent movements, as was the case of Venezuela, Mexico, Chile and La Plata

I can see Paraguay Asking for a King, but in this era Paraguay was de facto independent anyways, as they close eyes and ears to any Royal decree they don´t like, and never responded to the Buenos Aires and La Paz Audiencias, that where Theoretically their superior.

And la Plato was always rebellious and with the felling of being abandoned by the Spanish Kingdom, Why will they ask for a King?


The Spanish Empire truly surviving would probably require Spain to have never been invaded by Napoleon, and very early industrialization of northern Spain based on the coal deposits there.
Could it be, but if you let them, you could industrialize the Americas pretty easily, remember that the Coal deposits where explotated because the level of deforestation of Europe was so High, that charcoal production was not meting the demand. If anything you have in America, is a lot more forested
 
the Spanish Rule, and I don´t know of their homegrown independent movements, as was the case of Venezuela, Mexico, Chile and La Plata
The original liberator was francisco de miranda and here the hate with spanish was real and massive here in north south america so that will stay on, we could get Bolivar in venezuela and Sucre and Santander in Nueva granada fight at the same time.

And la Plato was always rebellious and with the felling of being abandoned by the Spanish Kingdom, Why will they ask for a King?
Mostly how much aristocratic and pro english was buenos aires, that is a possibility
 
Eh... Latin Empire?

As interesting idea seems, I don't think there could be united Empire of Spanish America. Mexico couldn't keep even United Provinces, and those couldn't even stay together.

It would be very, very, decentralized, as even the OTL Spanish Empire was.

Plus Paraguayan and Chileans, as both those groups were purposeful differentiate themselves of the inhabitants of the Virreinos.

Spanish American borders were complicated, to say the least. Captain-generals were nominally suzerain to the Viceroy, but reported right to the Council of the Indies, while audiencias were entirely independent from one another and served as the cabinet or privy council of regions.

I’m curious about whether a Spanish Empire centres around the Americas would attempt to rationalize this messiness.
 
The original liberator was francisco de miranda and here the hate with spanish was real and massive here in north south america so that will stay on, we could get Bolivar in venezuela and Sucre and Santander in Nueva granada fight at the same time.
But was not Sucre Venezuelan Anyways? as I was Saying Venezuela Declaring itself independent is a Given.
I´m not so sure about Colombia an Ecuador The first part of the war of independence of Colombia was more a civil war about who will govern than a proper Independence war.
Ecuador did not start a independence war until 1820 when the Venzuela, Chilean, La plata, Nueva Granada, independence was firmly affianced, and the liberation of Peru was on the way


Mostly how much aristocratic and pro english was buenos aires, that is a possibility

For how aristocratic and Pro English the Buenos Aires was I highly doubt they Ask for a Spanish king, specially because an Spanish king will be always see the English as a threat, adn they never will ask for an English King, so their only option is the Independence
 
The best way to ensure stability of any Spanish Empire in America, whether one ruled from Spain, or ruled from Americas, would raising legal status of criollos to be equal with peninsulares.

I think that’s inevitable in a Spain-in-exile, where there aren’t many peninsulares left to rule such a massive landmass.

However, a Bourbon Spanish belief was that people should never rule their region. I imagine notable creoles would be given roles in a different part of the Empire, and this would also serve to produce an imperial identity.
 
But was not Sucre Venezuelan Anyways?
Yes but he served more in colombia and he is almost go either nation anyway(unlike the more venezuelan bolivar or the more granadine Santander) but some other libertadores would have emerged.

I think that’s inevitable in a Spain-in-exile, where there aren’t many peninsulares left to rule such a massive landmass.

However, a Bourbon Spanish belief was that people should never rule their region. I imagine notable creoles would be given roles in a different part of the Empire, and this would also serve to produce an imperial identity.
And that is why unlike brazil if bourbon ran away they will not be that well recived, they would be double throw out.
 
And that is why unlike brazil if bourbon ran away they will not be that well recived, they would be double throw out.

There were plenty of proposals to change this, with proposals going so far as establishing lesser kings for each viceroyalty and turning the Spanish Empire into a federation. ITTL, without the major crisis caused by the power vacuum, opposition to the Bourbon Spanish would emerge slower, giving the rulers enough time to reform the system.
 
There were plenty of proposals to change this, with proposals going so far as establishing lesser kings for each viceroyalty and turning the Spanish Empire into a federation. ITTL, without the major crisis caused by the power vacuum, opposition to the Bourbon Spanish would emerge slower, giving the rulers enough time to reform the system.
The issue the Borbons never wanted reform and got lucky in spain, here they will not be so lucky either.

Regardless the corruption and failed economics...i loved the latam as he is, imperfect democracy but our own democracies.
 
Found the anime fan.

Brazil was a lucky shot, i doubt bourbons will get the same luck in the americas
Brazil also had the fact it was the only Portuguese colonial unit in the Americas, Spanish America was made of several viceroyalties with different structures.
 
Top