Bolsheviks and Germany couldn't negotiate B-L treaty...

Lets say if Bolshevik Russia and German Empire couldn't negotiate B-L treaty in March 3., 1918...
How it would effect Russia?
What is consequence of such disagreement for Germany?

EDITED: Corrected " could to couldn't". Sorry mis-spell....
 
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I doubt Germany would dare to invade Poland without a deal with the USSR. The risk that the USSR intervene to stop the German advance is too big.
 
With no formal agreement Germany would just impose its own version by occupying and setting borders. Russia would tacitly accept the situation and concentrate on fighting out its own political divisions.

How this would affect the USSR and Poland 20 or so years later is, I suggest, another question.
 
With no formal agreement Germany would just impose its own version by occupying and setting borders. Russia would tacitly accept the situation and concentrate on fighting out its own political divisions.

How this would affect the USSR and Poland 20 or so years later is, I suggest, another question.

But Germany has no chance winning WWI. They can't fight longer on Eastern Front. After some 8 month they will crumble and will be humiliated.
 
It is possible that Germany lose earlier. Without B-L more troops are needed in former Russian territory to guard the territory. I'm unsure what effects an earlier end to the war would be. Could the Soviets succeed to grab the Balt states?
 
The end has come to the Bolsheviks. The Germans had occupied to Russia and found in it a more sane government.
 
I agree, short term situation would be disaster. But IMO, Germans won't do serous offense.
Germany needed to knock out Franc and Britain before US arrives on Western front. So Germany has no luxury of time.
Everybody expected Germany will be almost lost if US bring significant force.
Was Bolsheviks doomed if B-L hadn't signed ?
Just retreat to Moscow and wait Germany start to loose in Western Front. After Germany fell claim all Russian Empire land, maybe except Congress of Poland. They will be at least formally at War, thus appears as fulfilling their obligation.
Or Bolsheviks afraid that Germany occupying Russia then making separate deal with Western Allies?
 
Wasn't the German 1918 Spring Offensive launched with some troops from the Eastern Front? Perhaps the Germans stay on the defensive, causing more Allied losses. The first B-L treaty offer was rejected by Trotsky, so the Germans kept rolling east. I guess this case they keep moving for another hundred or so miles, before logistics are a problem.
 
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