Bohemia-Moravia is annexed by Prussia

What if the states of Bohemia and Moravia joined Prussia in the Franco-Prussian War? What if the Czech lands were incorporated as part of the German Empire? Would they be given more representation since Germany had a stringent system of Federalism that gave representation and autonomy to its several states? Austria was only federalized into two states The Austrian (Cisleithania) and Hungary (The Lands of the Crown of St. Stephen). How much tension would be for Germany and Austria? Would the Czech people be treated better in Germany than Austria under their system of federalism? Would their language and culture be preserved as well? Would they have a same status in Germany as they were under the Holy Roman Empire? Would this cool down the tide of nationalism?
 
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What if the states of Bohemia and Moravia joined Prussia in the Franco-Prussian War? What if the Czech lands were incorporated as part of the German Empire? Would they be given more representation since Germany had a stringent system of Federalism that gave representation and autonomy to its several states? Austria was only federalized into two states The Austrian (Cisleithania) and Hungary (The Lands of the Crown of St. Stephen). How much tension would be for Germany and Austria? Would the Czech people be treated better in Germany than Austria under their system of federalism? Would their language and culture be preserved as well? Would they have a same status in Germany as they were under the Holy Roman Empire? Would this cool down the tide of nationalism?
So, wait, how? Is there a triple monarchy then? Bohemia-Moravia was ruled directly from Vienna, so unless they won independence or Prussia annexed it I don't see that happening.
 
So, wait, how? Is there a triple monarchy then? Bohemia-Moravia was ruled directly from Vienna, so unless they won independence or Prussia annexed it I don't see that happening.

There wouldn't be a triple monarchy in this timeline. So if Bohemia-Moravia joined the Prussian side of the Franco-Prussian war, would Prussia annex it peacefully or would they declare war with Austria with Bohemia-Moravia siding with Prussia?
 
Would Prussia annex it peacefully or would they declare war with Austria with Bohemia-Moravia siding with Prussia?
How exactly are you thinking of making this work? Are you saying that Prussia annexes Bohemia-Moravia before the Franco-Prussian war or during it? Because if you're looking for a time where Prussia Might have been able to incorporate the territory would have been during the Six Week War. The war would have been dragged on longer of course (maybe making it a seven week war) But trying to incorporate such a large amount of territory may have pretty well messed with the diplomatic side of trying to get the German states under Prussians thumb.

The Franco-Prussian war was after all, just a way to get the southern German states to ally with Prussia, if you have Prussia declaring yet another war against Austria (what would the reason be by the way?) then it'd be unlikely to go well on the diplomatic department. France had just lost most of it's credibility a few years previously due to the whole situation in Mexico. and having to wait much longer could easily bring other powers into play, and Germany/Prussia would not have been able to tackle France and another major power during this period of time.
 
How exactly are you thinking of making this work? Are you saying that Prussia annexes Bohemia-Moravia before the Franco-Prussian war or during it? Because if you're looking for a time where Prussia Might have been able to incorporate the territory would have been during the Six Week War. The war would have been dragged on longer of course (maybe making it a seven week war) But trying to incorporate such a large amount of territory may have pretty well messed with the diplomatic side of trying to get the German states under Prussians thumb.

The Franco-Prussian war was after all, just a way to get the southern German states to ally with Prussia, if you have Prussia declaring yet another war against Austria (what would the reason be by the way?) then it'd be unlikely to go well on the diplomatic department. France had just lost most of it's credibility a few years previously due to the whole situation in Mexico. and having to wait much longer could easily bring other powers into play, and Germany/Prussia would not have been able to tackle France and another major power during this period of time.

I'm saying that Prussia annex Bohemia-Moravia after the war is over when Prussia annexes the German states. I'm just saying they would join the Franco-Prussian War over the hope of getting them annexed in the German Empire. They would most likely to ally with Prussia in response to the Ausgleich agreement not giving them autonomy. Prussia would declare another war on Austria in the wishes for the Czechs to be part of the German Empire. Maybe there would be a referendum for the Czechs to join the German Empire as an alternative.The Czechs enjoyed political status under the Holy Roman Empire but was lost during the fall of that Empire. There would be more nationalist sentiments after the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 than before and the Austro-Prussian War was before the compromise.
 
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I'm saying that Prussia annex Bohemia-Moravia after the war is over when Prussia annexes the German states. I'm just saying they would join the Franco-Prussian War over the hope of getting them annexed in the German Empire. They would most likely to ally with Prussia in response to the Ausgleich agreement not giving them autonomy. Prussia would declare another war on Austria in the wishes for the Czechs to be part of the German Empire. The Czechs enjoyed political status under the Holy Roman Empire but was lost during the fall of that Empire. There would be more nationalist sentiments after the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 than before and the Austro-Prussian War was before the compromise.

I think you probably need to better define what you mean by "they." Who exactly is leading this revolt against Hapsburg rule? Is there a class or a certain group of people in positions of power that you have in mind?

Was there a lot of Czech disappointment with the Ausgleich in OTL? If not, you need to work out how and why they would be so much more upset in this scenario.
 
I think you probably need to better define what you mean by "they." Who exactly is leading this revolt against Hapsburg rule? Is there a class or a certain group of people in positions of power that you have in mind?

Was there a lot of Czech disappointment with the Ausgleich in OTL? If not, you need to work out how and why they would be so much more upset in this scenario.

I was talking about the Czech rebels when I said "they." I'm pretty sure that the conservatives at that time wanted to reconstruct autonomy of Bohemia-Moravia. They were allied with the German nobility. Maybe the conservatives would have talks with the German nobility in joining Germany instead. Remember, the Czechs didn't fully participate actively in political life until 1907. So I think they would be pretty upset about it.
 
The whole Issue is got wrong dates but let's try to develop the idea.

Let's say austria got more arrogant during seven week wars(they beat italians and keep that push) and prussia goes even bigger in battle, that will make bismarck to take more serious demand against austria, thus they demand to Bohemia(just bohemia for now) the old Kingdom of HRE be detached from austria under a hohenzollern branch(the catholic one, the one would become king of spain OTL) and austria humillated as losing their ancestral HRE electoral title.

Them the luxemburg crisis(who happened in 1867 with Leopold as king of bohemia not need for spanish throne) happen in 1870 instead and galvanize all germany, francia got humillated as otl and germany unify with bohemia and luxemburg.

I think the hohenzollern will negotiated with bohemian(checz name yet to be invented) about limited cultural rights in exchange being part a German Empire.

Moravia will be a tension point in future.
 
I was talking about the Czech rebels when I said "they." I'm pretty sure that the conservatives at that time wanted to reconstruct autonomy of Bohemia-Moravia. They were allied with the German nobility. Maybe the conservatives would have talks with the German nobility in joining Germany instead. Remember, the Czechs didn't fully participate actively in political life until 1907. So I think they would be pretty upset about it.

There were Czech rebels then?

What was the nature of the "alliance" between the Czech conservatives and German nobility? "Have talks" is pretty vague as well, for two social groups.

None of this sounds impossible, really, but a whole lot of it sounds hand-waved.
 
There were Czech rebels then?

What was the nature of the "alliance" between the Czech conservatives and German nobility? "Have talks" is pretty vague as well, for two social groups.

None of this sounds impossible, really, but a whole lot of it sounds hand-waved.

The Old Czechs is which what the leaders would be called in which they favored an alliance with the conservative and largely Germanized Bohemian nobility and advocated the restoration of traditional Bohemian autonomy. They both wanted a reconstituted the Bohemian Kingdom including the Moravia and Silesia. They had talks to the point in which the government agreed to the Fundamental Articles, which reinstated the historic rights of the Bohemian Kingdom. The articles were never adopted however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Lands_of_the_Bohemian_Crown_(1867–1918)
 
The Old Czechs is which what the leaders would be called in which they favored an alliance with the conservative and largely Germanized Bohemian nobility and advocated the restoration of traditional Bohemian autonomy. They both wanted a reconstituted the Bohemian Kingdom including the Moravia and Silesia. They had talks to the point in which the government agreed to the Fundamental Articles, which reinstated the historic rights of the Bohemian Kingdom. The articles were never adopted however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Lands_of_the_Bohemian_Crown_(1867–1918)

As say a bigger defeat in Austro-Prussian war would make prussia want an indepedant bohemia in their orbit of the north german federation.
 
While its possible - along Niveks lines - that would result in a Lasting Austro-GErmany enmity (Like about Alsave Lorraine and the French).

Assume Austria loses the lands in 1866... Then its 1870 - the German Frech/French German war starts - you get a good chance that Austria /hungary sides with France which might bring in Russia which in turn might bring in Britain....
 
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