Bob Lee's Body

Just bumping this, because I love this TL and want to see a new update :) Also, I can't wait to see how Joseph holt emerges in this ATL. He was a fascinating man, and deserves more credit than he often gets in OTL (I will also include Charles F. Adams in this catagoy as well!)
 

Japhy

Banned
Alright, I admit I got off track with this for a while, to the point that I was saying more then a month ago I was off track, yet never got back on it. But now I am here and I can say that now things are in fact, back on track. Why is this time different you ask?

  1. I have reorganized my notes
  2. School is about to start up again and thus my life becomes much more boring and orderly
  3. I have finished some books and finalized some major changes to the plan
  4. Looking things over, I now know where we are in the timeline.Halfway Done by my new plan
  5. I've finalized a battle plan of the war, and gave myself enough time so I won't bother competing with TheKnightIrish for combat detail.

I'm rewriting what I have for update 6 and adding too it. It will be a big one, but it will get the ball moving again.
 
Speaking of which, in spite of the fact that I wasn't allowed to withdraw myself from contention, I would still ask anyone who hasn't voted for me yet, to not vote for me.
Godsdamned it, I knew there was something I'd forgotten about this TL! Sorry.:eek:
 

Japhy

Banned
And... upon further review I'm just going to admit this is never starting back up and its dead. If anyone is interested in hearing a few notes about where it was going to go, feel free to ask. I have neither the time nor the interest to keep this thing going on.

Sorry folks, I might have something else starting soon.
 
A shame, I was enjoying this, but I can understand. It's not good for you or the TL if you try and force updates out and it's better to leave on a high note. I am interested in what was going to happen, if you don't mind, and I will be looking out for whatever project you will be doing next.
 

Japhy

Banned
More News on All of This.

Alright, first things first. People were interested in spoilers about where this was going to go. Here is what the original timeline's plan was going to be.

Having now scrapped the timeline, reorganized my notes and made major changes to projections in it, with the intent of rewriting the thing in the near future, I think I can now spoil the now not-valid ending to my Timeline. So yeah.

1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln / Nathaniel P. Banks (Republican)[1]
1860: Samuel Houston / Henry J. Garner (Constitutional Union), T. Howell Cobb / Jesse D. Bright (Southern Democratic), Stephen A. Douglas / Sanford E. Church (Northern Democratic)
1865-1866: Abraham Lincoln / Daniel S. Dickinson (Unified Unionist)[2]
1864: Franklin Pierce / Buckner S. Morris (Liberal Democratic)[3]
1866-1866: Abraham Lincoln / vacant (Unified Unionist)
1866-1867: Stephen A. Douglas / vacant (Unified Unionist)[4]
1867-1873: Stephen A. Douglas / Hannibal Hamlin (Unified Unionist)
1866: Daniel W. Voorhees / various (Liberal Democratic)
1868: Salmon P. Chase / Fitz-John Porter (Liberal Democratic)
1873-1881: Ambrose E. Burnside / Benjamin G. Brown (Republican)[5]
1872: John A. McMahon / Andrew Johnson (Liberal Democratic) David Davis / various (Workers’)[6]
1876: Samuel J. Tilden / Henry B. Payne (New Democratic)[7]
1881-1883: Stephen A. Douglas / William Dorsheimer (Democratic)[8]
1880: James B. McPherson / George W. Hendee (Republican)
1883-1885: William Dorsheimer / vacant (Democratic)

[1] - For those of you who haven't read the aborted project... Robert E. Lee was killed at Harper's Ferry and became a major martyr for the South, meaning the Fireeater's were more empowered in the 1860 election, the Southern Democrats won the "official" nomination and Stephen A. Douglas led the split in the Party rather then the other way around. The Republicans selected Banks because the split meant Ex-Democrats had more clout at their convention rather then ex-Whigs, thus Salmon Chase rather then William Seward got his man picked for the number two slot.

Lincoln would lead the war though the following four years, the Confederacy fighting on in spite of its own Government's inability to move past ideology to win the war. The major campaigns of 1864 break the main Confederate field armies in the West but the war drags on for another year before concluding. Politically Lincoln asks Senator Douglas to visit California due to a small scale revolt there in late 1861, and thus he avoids the diseases in St. Louis that killed him, and he becomes The leader of the War Democrats who ally with the GOP.

[2] - In 1864 Lincoln and Douglas unite the War Democrats, Moderate Democrats and Republicans into a new party to win the war. The Unified Unionist Party doubles down on the importance of keeping the country together by uniting the majority of the Political Spectrum. A key Douglas Ally from New York serving as VP replacing the problematic Banks. It is this new party and administration that sees the end of the war in the fall of 1865 after major battlefield victories at the start of the year and a short, brutal attempt to move the war to a "Boer" phase by the Fireeaters.

[3] - The Rump of the Democratic Party, styling itself as "Liberal Democrats" in the face of "Authoritarian Democrats" who joined Lincoln, fails to win any states more then Kentucky, even with a former president on the ticket. The Doughfaces though will control the party for several more years to come.

[4] - Dickenson's health collapsed before Lincoln was slain by an assassin in 1866 (Lets be honest, there's no chance he was going to live after Emancipation and the 13th Amendment, and all his "dangerous" talk about USCT voting rights.) And thus the Presidentcy descended upon the Unified Unionist President of the Senate, Stephen A. Douglas. Winning the emergency election that followed in the face of a confused opposition and his own term Douglas would lead the nation though his own round of Reconstruction. Lincoln had been light, seeking a minimal level of support from the Former Confederates in exchange for a return of rights and peace. When faced with violence against Freedmen by Ex-Confederates Anyway, Lincoln had used troops and force to protect them, but attempted to be surgical about it. Douglas kept the troops in place but decided to focus more on economic and education rights for the Freedmen, the founding of the Department of Education and Welfare being a tool which he would use to ensure Blacks had equal education rights in the South even in the face of White Governments wishing to cut funding or to segregate state education.

[5] - After 6 years of Douglas, the Unified Unionists nominated a Republican from an old Whig family. Ambrose Burnside by nature of shifted command authorities had a good career as a Corps Commander and eventually, after the appointment of General Grant (Who declined to run for the Presidency) to General-in-Chief, became Commander of the Army of the Potomac. After the war served as Senator from Rhode Island before getting the top job. Fought the Klan, worked to secure decent treaties with native tribes (Often failing) and overseeing the growth of industry and railroads in the US.

[6] - Disunited Labor Parties, Unions and other Proto-Socialist Groups attempted to run a ticket in the 1872 election but failed to properly come together, behind their man, former Postmaster General and Congressmen David Davis. None the less various Worker's tickets were decisive in throwing several States to the Liberal Democrats.

[7] - As the Burnside administration moved forward, issues of Trade, Tariffs, Taxes and Currency began to break apart the old Wartime alliances. With the Liberal Democrats remaining set in opposing Reconstruction and losing plenty of ground for it, former President Douglas and his allies oversaw the creation of a New Democratic Party which helped obliterate the "Liberal" party and lead to a new party of Jackson and The Union. Governor Tilden was their first nominee and secured the parties footing, and ensuring that the Democrats would not be tarred by charges of Treason.

[8] - And four years after that, Douglas would be the parties nominee after a divided convention, and retake the White House as the First Democrat to hold the office for 20 years (And by some members counts 40). In the years before his Death, Douglas would see bills creating a Department of Industry to oversee the nations economic growth and railroads, as well as a law securing a 10 hour work day for all workers. Douglas would also see the winding down of the last Federal Troops in the South, as the Southern Democrats were forced to accept a more moderate form of leadership.

Secondly. I have tried in the past few weeks, to move past this. Its not like I don't have other projects in mind, as anyone who ever looks at the AH PMs and Presidents List thread will be able to attest to. I have timelines and short story ideas coming out of my ass.

And for all of that, and the several dozen pages of starts I have sitting on my Google Drive account, there is an inescapable but.

But, I can't get this damned thing out of my head. So, this is coming back.

Mind you, I intend to start right at the beginning again, and probably cut out at least some of the snark, spend less time dragging things out like I did with the initial draft. When the First post is ready, and it will be one that covers a more developed Political Situation and not just end with one of three conventions, I'll start posting here again. Probably ask an Admin to edit the first post for me to link to the New Part I piece or whatever.

Also worth noting that big list and notes on it is no longer even close to what I have planned. So yeah.
 
That's an interesting timeline and one of the most unusual ways I've seen to get Stephen Douglas to the Presidency! Thanks for posting!

And I'm very glad to hear that you're planning to get back to this project, even if it's a full restart. I'll be looking forward to seeing it soon!

"Bobby Lee's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...
but his timeline goes marching on!"
 

Japhy

Banned
That's an interesting timeline and one of the most unusual ways I've seen to get Stephen Douglas to the Presidency! Thanks for posting!

The other option I'd considered was that Lincoln cannot prevent his own dumping at the Convention, but can rally his supporters in the Republican Party to support Douglas as the candidate for the 1864 Unionist ticket. Of course the new notes have a third option on that one that I'm going with.

And I'm very glad to hear that you're planning to get back to this project, even if it's a full restart. I'll be looking forward to seeing it soon!

Glad to get a positive response right off the bat. :)

"Bobby Lee's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...
but his timeline goes marching on!"

I almost regret naming the timeline what I did. Had I only known that everything I said would lead back to a-mouldering... :rolleyes:
 

Stolengood

Banned
The other option I'd considered was that Lincoln cannot prevent his own dumping at the Convention, but can rally his supporters in the Republican Party to support Douglas as the candidate for the 1864 Unionist ticket. Of course the new notes have a third option on that one that I'm going with.
Ooh, do tell... ;)

Glad to get a positive response right off the bat. :)
Hey, you deserve one; you're one of the best damn posters on this site! :)

I almost regret naming the timeline what I did. Had I only known that everything I said would lead back to a-mouldering... :rolleyes:
But "a-mould'ring" is so much FUN to say! :D
 
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