Blue Skies in Camelot: An Alternate 60's and Beyond

Hopefully he'd avoid that but honestly it's up to the OP, @President_Lincoln since it's his TL. :)
Yeah, that was super unfortunate how it happened. One of his fellow soldiers had dropped a grenade, and the pin came off when it hit the ground, and Cleland thought it was his, and bent down to pick it up.

Got both his legs and one of his arms blown off from that one. The guy who dropped the grenade was injured, too, reportedly was sobbing in horror "that was my grenade!" at seeing Cleland.
 
@Worffan101 did you imagine Cleland with his lost limbs as OTL or do you think he was spared at least some of that fate?
Cleland still wins the Bronze and Silver stars for valorous action in combat during the Cambodian Intervention, but he manages to avoid the tragic grenade incident of OTL. :) A decorated veteran, I still believe Cleland will be a strong choice by President Udall to be the first Secretary of Veterans' Affairs. :D
 
Whats the current status of Oswald and Bremer as of 1977, also what happened to Yoko Ono since she never met John Lennon, Mr. President?

What the current state of Japan and the Koreas? Have any significant butterflies affected them as of right now? Mr. President?
 
Oswald Retcon and More
If you decide to incorporate the ideas I have presented so far, you'll let me know right?
Absolutely! I apologize for my lack of replies/posts lately across the board. :( Between finals setting in, making plans with my family for Thanksgiving, and catching a really nasty cold which has lingered and left me mostly inert for the past several weeks, I have been much less productive than I would like. I am deeply sorry.

I am happy to say that I have at least 1-2 updates written which I hope will constitute the beginning of Act III of Blue Skies and plan on getting them posted in the near future. :) Do not worry. The timeline lives!

Hi Mr President been a while. I have a question for you. Has the Great Recession hit any other countries or just the US?
An excellent question, @Kennedy Forever! The Great Recession has not been limited to the United States, but has hit the entire world rather hard, especially the "west" (think US, Anglo-sphere, Western Europe, etc). Its causes were similar to those of the recessions of OTL's 1970's - the energy crises; stagnation after decades of growth following WWII; rise of foreign competition from Japan, Mexico, etc; and others. As of January 1977, where Blue Skies last left off, the recession is reaching perhaps its fever pitch, and played a major role in President Bush's defeat to Congressman Udall.

Whats the current status of Oswald and Bremer as of 1977, also what happened to Yoko Ono since she never met John Lennon, Mr. President?

What the current state of Japan and the Koreas? Have any significant butterflies affected them as of right now? Mr. President?
Retcon: Regarding Lee Harvey Oswald...


Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested by Texas Rangers on November 23rd, 1963, after being charged with the attempted assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the successful murder of Texas Governor John Connally. Throughout the course of his highly publicized trial, Oswald continued to profess his innocence and claimed that he was a "patsy", used by "shadowy forces" because he "used to live in the Soviet Union". Despite his ramblings, the jury found Oswald guilty for the attempt on the President's life and the murder of the Governor, slapping him with a death sentence which was later commuted to life in prison. As of 1977, Oswald has served out about 14 years, and continues to profess his supposed innocence to any who will hear him. His own personal thoughts regarding who "really" shot at JFK have provided some fuel to truly fringe conspiracy theorists, but most dismiss him as a sad, lonely, disturbed man trying to make sense of his shattered life. President Kennedy himself famously "forgave" Oswald in an interview with Life shortly after leaving office, saying: "I harbor no lingering ill will towards him... I just thank God for sparing my life." More than anything, Lee Harvey Oswald's name is largely forgotten, save as the answer to a rather difficult question answered by Jeopardy! champion Ken Jennings in the 2000's, or as a recurring figure in "What if..." scenarios on the popular Alternate History discussion board AH.com.


Unlike Oswald, Arthur Bremer's name has entered the American lexicon ITTL as a synonym for society's failures, man's potential for cruelty and violence, and of course, assassins. After confessing to the murder of President George Romney in March of 1972, Bremer was sentenced to life in prison. Five years later, he continues to serve that sentence, and has had his disturbing diary published, despite public outcry and condemnation from the Bush Administration. Bremer remains the central figure in a myriad of conspiracy theories regarding the Romney Assassination, with his "true" motive being pinpointed as anything from religious hatred of Romney's Mormonism to a bizarre claim that Bremer was contracted to kill the President by the conservative wing of the Republican Party, who believed that Vice President Bush would be more pliable to their right wing policies than the very liberal President. With the advent of the internet in the 1990's, Bremer's writings and persona would attract a cult following on illicit message boards, with many disaffected young men claiming him as a kind of "inspiration" to commit other acts of violence. Though he would never again live as a free man, Bremer's influence over the darker side of American life continues to disturb and sow fear. Truly, one of the villains of American history.


Having never met John Lennon ITTL, Yoko Ono spent the latter part of the 1960's and the 1970's developing as an artist and trying to escape her own personal Hell that was her second marriage, to American Jazz musician, film producer, and art promoter Anthony Cox. Ono eventually managed to secure a divorce from Cox in 1969, though she lost custody of her daughter with him, Kyoko, in the process, and would not see her again until the 1990's. Dejected, depressed, and concerned that her family would pursue institutionalization for her once again in the fall of 1969, a 36 year old Ono found her life turned around by an unlikely ally - American folk singer and social democratic activist Phil Ochs. Moved by his intense energy, Ono's work also took on something of a political bent, blending her abstract, avant garde style with Marxist critiques of consumer culture and the need for women's liberation. Ochs and Ono would eventually marry in 1973, becoming one of the "royal couples" of American counter-culture.


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While Japan was certainly hit by the Romney oil shock and the Great Recession of the 1970's, the country's industrial output and overall economic output continue to climb. "The great miracle of East Asia", Japan's post-war boom continues, for now. The country has also seen great change in the form of ũman ribu, a women's liberation movement which took inspiration from allied movements in the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and other nations, and sought to modernize Japanese culture and ensure that women were granted equal rights.

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The Koreas are largely following their OTL path for the time being. Expect subsequent updates on their progress in the near future however, as TTL's more liberal direction begins to influence youth culture and politics, particularly (obviously) in the South.
 
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Didn't Oswald kill Governor Connally (and a sheriff's deputy) ITTL? That's what led to his death sentence ITTL...
 
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Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested by Texas Rangers on November 23rd, 1963, after being charged with the attempted assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the successful murder of Texas Governor John Connally. Throughout the course of his highly publicized trial, Oswald continued to profess his innocence and claimed that he was a "patsy", used by "shadowy forces" because he "used to live in the Soviet Union". Despite his ramblings, the jury found Oswald guilty for the attempt on the President's life and the murder of the Governor, slapping him with a death sentence which was later commuted to life in prison.
I would assume this is after TTL's version of the Fuhrman decision (which is when Preston Smith commuted the sentences of everyone on Texas Death Row), @President_Lincoln (IMO, I still see that happening)? On a side note, Oswald will never get out of prison alive after murdering the Texas governor and a sheriff's deputy...
 
Nice to see it living again. Wonder how worldwide trade is getting on, especially from a British perspective, as we get into the next part of BSiC? :)
 
Thanks for answering my question about the Great Recession Mr President. I wasn't expecting President Kennedy to forgive Lee Harvey. I liked what you wrote about him and Arthur Bremar.
 
Nice to see it living again. Wonder how worldwide trade is getting on, especially from a British perspective, as we get into the next part of BSiC? :)
My interest is peaked and I'm interested to see where this goes under Act III begins. Was also curious about Oswald and Bremer's fates myself.
Thank you, @QTXAdsy and @AeroTheZealousOne! :D The TL does live and I hope to get new updates out by the end of the week. To answer your question, QTX, global trade has taken a bit of a hit due to the global recession, though some countries are obviously being hit harder than others. The UK's economy is struggling more than most, and PM Thatcher may soon find herself facing a crisis of confidence, especially as the calls for Scottish and Welsh devolution grow louder and her stance on the issue refuses to bend...

I doubt it will be any less monstrous than OTL Iraq.
Saddam Hussein is still the horrific, villainous man he was IOTL, and here, he has continued backing from the Andropov-led USSR. What this will mean for the rest of the Middle East and the world at large remains to be seen, but if the Iraqi "intervention" (invasion) of Syria is any indication, Saddam intends to build the Iraqi-led UAR into a nationalist regional power.

What happened to Egypt and Gamal Abdel-Nasser? Did Kennedy met with Nasser personally?
As per OTL, President Kennedy initially sought to warm relations between the United States and Nasser's Egypt. Unlike his predecessors, JFK did not see nationalism in the third world as inherently dangerous to U.S. interests, and largely believed that nationalism could work hand-in-hand with American values like self-determination to oppose Soviet influence abroad. This belief would go on to form the basis of the Kennedy Doctrine, which was largely continued under the subsequent Romney, Bush, and Udall administrations. Though President Kennedy hoped that his personal touch and correspondence with President Nasser would be enough to bridge the two countries' relationship, Kennedy's continued support for Israel doomed any potential alliance between the United States and Egypt. During JFK's second term, relations between he and Nasser cooled significantly, especially during the Six Day War of 1967, as the Americans once again favored Israel over Egypt. In the end, Kennedy left office in 1969 seeing rapprochement in the Middle East as a missed opportunity. Nasser would serve as President of Egypt until dying of a heart attack in 1970, whereupon he would be succeeded by Anwar Sadat, as per OTL.

JFK may have been a great foreign policy President - opening up relations with China, securing peace in Vietnam, strengthening alliances and friendship with Latin America, etc. - but it would take another fine diplomat, President George Bush, to negotiate the beginnings of a peace process between Israel in Egypt, in 1976.

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