If we get a new conservative party, we might see, over time, third-party candidates become more relevant. They might be ridiculed at first, but if they continue to grow after sucking up a lot from the two main parties, they might be an epitome for other parties to follow, like the Green Party. Also, will this new Conservative Party be like the Libertarian Party, or will there be just a conservative and a libertarian one?
Blue Skies in Camelot: An Alternate 60's and Beyond
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If we get a new conservative party, we might see, over time, third-party candidates become more relevant. They might be ridiculed at first, but if they continue to grow after sucking up a lot from the two main parties, they might be an epitome for other parties to follow, like the Green Party. Also, will this new Conservative Party be like the Libertarian Party, or will there be just a conservative and a libertarian one?
Excellent points and a great question! Without giving too much away, I think the nature of the new Conservative party's ideology will largely depend on who comes together to form it. If it's lead by Goldwater, expect a more Libertarian bent, if someone like George Wallace, decidedly less so.
Great update!
I was glad that you kept Hillary's politics on the GOP side, but with a moderate bend. I have to wonder what it will do for her political career and the future of the GOP.
And then you have Bill leave politics all together to focus on music. So the two of them are now on such divergent courses that I suspect they won't become the power couple they've been ITTL.
I was glad that you kept Hillary's politics on the GOP side, but with a moderate bend. I have to wonder what it will do for her political career and the future of the GOP.
And then you have Bill leave politics all together to focus on music. So the two of them are now on such divergent courses that I suspect they won't become the power couple they've been ITTL.
With Romney Sr. and Rockefeller, it can definitely be expected that the moderate wing will stay for much longer.
As for Bill and Hillary, what’s to prevent the two from meeting in a Detroit nightclub with the music of the sax making things “saxy?”
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A more moderate Republican party will be a welcome place for someone with Hillary's politics. Senator-elect Brooke is right to say the sky's the limit for her career. Be careful what you wish for
Awesome update. Interesting with what you did with Bill and Hillary. A jazz artist and a moderate Republican. They may run into each other somehow in future.
That's of course assuming that whoever forms it ultimately also becomes the person who leads and defines the party going forward for years to come. After all, though we may call the GOP the Party of Lincoln, he never form the party itself (nor was he even the first Republican candidate to run for President, just the first who ran). Any one of those two could found the party only for someone like Nixon or Reagan to come along and redefine the party into what it will become into the future.
Funny enough, Star Trek is just the kind of show I can see JFK maybe watching, especially in light of it's message of humanity in the future working together free of hate and discrimination blending so well with his own attempts in the Space Race.Yep! As a major Star Trek fan myself, I'm excited to get to include it ITTL
Kennedy being a fan of Star Trek will definitely be a part of this TL
I had the same thought, Nerdman! The streak lives on!
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You know, I tought the allohistorical joke was going to be that Hillary becomes a prominent liberal Republica, in the vein of OTL Charlie Baker or Phill Scott, (or even more liberal than that) and that she was going to run against Conservative Democrat Bill Clinton for President, but this is much more interesting
Bill Clinton is too much of a personality to "get lost in the pages of history"
By this point in ITTL, (and OTL) the Democratic Party has dominated poltics and society for more than 30 years. Democrats have won 7 out of 9 of the last presidential elections, plus their commanding leads in Congress, and Centrist Reoublican Ike Eisenhower dared not touch the New Deal Bureaucracy. If this "Era of Democratic Concensus" continues it might be that the GOP moves to the center permanently to remain electable, just like the Democrats OTL were forced to move to the center after the Reagan Revolution
Bill Clinton is too much of a personality to "get lost in the pages of history"
By this point in ITTL, (and OTL) the Democratic Party has dominated poltics and society for more than 30 years. Democrats have won 7 out of 9 of the last presidential elections, plus their commanding leads in Congress, and Centrist Reoublican Ike Eisenhower dared not touch the New Deal Bureaucracy. If this "Era of Democratic Concensus" continues it might be that the GOP moves to the center permanently to remain electable, just like the Democrats OTL were forced to move to the center after the Reagan Revolution
You’re right. He could be a major person in jazz music. It would definitely make the lyrics in the Animaniacs theme song more fitting.
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We're Animaniacs!
Dot is cute and Yakko yaks.
Wakko packs away the snacks
While Bill Clinton plays the sax.
We're Animaniacs!
...
John Kennedy got a serenade
And Hubert Humphrey got one term
Richard Nixon gets thrown out
So Rogers Morton got the job
Ronnie Reagan read horoscopes
But Teddy Kennedy had more luck
He ruled eight years with charm and wit
And President Biden had to quit
Now in Washington DC, there's Democrats and the GOP
But the one in charge is plain to see
Its Rodham, first name Hillary!
Pop Culture 1966
Pop Culture in 1966: To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before
Billboard’s Year-End Hot 100 Singles of 1966 (Top 10)
- “Cherish” - The Association
- “(You’re My) Soul and Inspiration” - The Righteous Brothers
- “Reach Out I’ll Be There” - Four Tops
- “Hey Joe” - Elvis Presley (feat. Jimi Hendrix)
- “Last Train to Clarksville” - The Monkees
- “We Can Work It Out” - The Beatles
- “California Dreamin’” - The Mamas and the Papas
- “You Can’t Hurry Love” - The Supremes
- “When a Man Loves a Woman” - Percy Sledge
- “Paint it, Black” - The Rolling Stones
News in Music, Through the Year
January 14th - Young British singer David Jones changes his last name to “Bowie” to avoid confusion with Davy Jones of The Monkees.
January 17th - Simon and Garfunkel release Sounds of Silence, to commercial and critical success.
February 17th - Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys begins recording “Good Vibrations” with the Wrecking Crew, continuing for several months and marking the launch of the acclaimed Smile sessions.
February 19th - Jefferson Airplane and Big Brother and the Holding Company with Janis Joplin perform at the Fillmore for the first time.
March 4th - The Beatles’ John Lennon is quoted in the London Newspaper, The Evening Standard as saying that the band was now more popular than Jesus. In August, following publication of the remark in Datebook, there are mass Beatles protests and record burnings across the Bible Belt in the United States. When one is being organized in Memphis, Elvis Presley speaks out against the burnings saying “Sure, it was a boneheaded thing for John to say, but he has the right to say it, don’t he? It’s a free country!”
April 11th - First public performance in the Metropolitan Opera House, of Giacomo Puccini's La fanciulla del West, though the official opening of the new opera house would not take place until September 16.
April 23rd - For the first time since its January 18, 1964, issue, the Billboard Hot 100 chart fails to have an artist from the UK with a Top 10 single, ending a streak of 117 consecutive weeks.
May 1st - The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who perform at the NME poll winners’ show in London.
May 6th - The first issue of Džuboks, the first Yugoslav magazine dedicated to rock music and the first rock magazine in a socialist country, is released.
May 13th - The Rolling Stones release “Paint It, Black” the first number one song in the US and UK to feature a sitar, played by Brian Jones.
June 1st - The Doors, a new band formed by Jim Morrison in Los Angeles, play their first ever gig at the Whiskey A Go-Go, where they open for Them, featuring Van Morrison.
June 18th - A young session musician named Jimmy Page replaces Paul Samwell-Smith as bassist for British Rock group the Yardbirds.
July 2nd - The Beatles become the first musical group to perform at the Nippon Budokan Hall in Tokyo, Japan. Protests are formed against the performances, as some locals felt that it was inappropriate for a Rock n Roll group to play at Budokan.
July 29th - Bob Dylan is killed instantly in a Motorcycle accident near Woodstock, New York. He is mourned by millions of fans the world over and goes on to achieve mythic status within the realm of Rock music.
July 31st - British Supergroup Cream, consisting of Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker, and Jack Bruce debut in London alongside the Yardbirds. The two acts help to usher in the “Psychedelic age” of Rock Music.
August 5th - The Beatles release Tomorrow Never Knows, featuring such classics as "Yellow Submarine" and "Dr. Robert", adding to the year’s growing Psychedelic sound.
August 11th - John Lennon appears at a press conference in Chicago, apologizing for his “unfortunate” remark. He writes to Elvis that the band are considering an indefinite end to touring. The King begs them to reconsider, telling them “the road is the lifeline of any Rock n Roll act.”
August 25th - Yardbirds guitarist Jeff Beck falls ill, allowing bassist Jimmy Page to replace him on Lead Guitar for the band’s show that night at the Carousel Ballroom.
September 12th - The Monkees’ first episode debuts on NBC television.
September 23rd - Featuring Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on dual lead guitars, The Yardbirds begin a tour of the UK opening for the Rolling Stones.
October 4th - Elvis and his opening act, Buster and the Battery, reach the UK leg of their tour. Jimi Hendrix and his band decide to stay in London to cut a record with producer Chas Chandler.
October 22nd - The Supremes become the first all-female group to top the Billboard Hot 200 album chart with The Supremes-A-Go-Go.
November 9th - Avant-garde artist Yoko Ono stays home ill from the preview of her art exhibit at the Indica Gallery in London, complaining of a bad cold.
November 30th - Jeff Beck announces his permanent departure from the Yardbirds, allowing Jimmy Page to become the group’s sole lead guitarist. From this base, he will create a new, far more influential hard rock band.
December 1st - John Lennon meets Swiss actress and sex symbol Ursula Andress at the release of her new film Once Before I Die in London. Recently divorced, Andress begins a quiet affair with Lennon that will eventually lead to the breakup of his marriage as well.
December 6th - The final series of recording sessions for the Beach Boys’ Smile begin to wrap up. Brian Wilson and Mike Love report a growing rift between them, but insist that the band will soldier on and tour to promote the new album when it is released.
December 9th - The Who release their first album, A Quick One.
December 16th - Buster and the Battery release their first single in the UK, their own version of “Hey Joe” with Hendrix singing lead.
1966 in Film: The Year’s Biggest
The Bible: In the Beginning… - Biblical Epic/Drama. Directed by John Huston and starring Michael Parks, Ulla Bergryd, and Richard Harris. The first in a planned series of films telling the stories of the Old Testament, In the Beginning starts things off with Genesis. Reviews are moderately positive, though many critics are disappointed by the film’s “heavy handedness”.
Hawaii - Historical Epic. Directed by George Roy Hill and starring Max Von Sydow and Julie Andrews. Hawaii tells the story of an 1820s Yale University divinity student who, accompanied by his new bride, becomes a Calvinist missionary in the Hawaiian Islands. It was filmed at Old Sturbridge Village, in Sturbridge, Massachusetts, and on the islands of Kauai and Oahu in Hawaii. Lauded by critics and audiences alike, the film wins multiple Golden Globe awards for its cast and costume design.
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly - Spaghetti Western. Directed by Sergio Leone and starring Clint Eastwood. Seen presently as one of the greatest western films ever produced, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly initially received mixed reviews upon release. Eastwood’s third collaboration with Leone, the concluding film of the Dollars trilogy was the most financially successful for the pair.
A Man for All Seasons - Biographical Drama. Directed by Fred Zimmermann and starring Paul Scofield, Wendy Hiller, Leo McKern, and Orson Welles. The film depicts the final years of Sir Thomas More, the 16th century Lord Chancellor of England who refused to sign a letter asking Pope Clement to annul King Henry VIII’s marriage to Catherine of Aragon and refused to take the oath of supremacy declaring Henry the head of the church of England.
Everyone’s Favorite Television Programs in 1966
Star Trek - Starring William Shatner, DeForest Kelley, and Leonard Nimoy.
Batman - Starring Adam West, Burt Ward, and Julie Newmar.
The Green Hornet - Starring Van Williams and Bruce Lee.
Hogan’s Heroes - Starring Bob Crane.
Get Smart - Starring Don Adams, Barbara Feldon, and Edward Platt.
1966 in Sport
June 8th - The AFL and NFL reach an agreement to merge as equals into one league under the NFL name, to take effect with the 1970 season.
AFL Championship Game: The Kansas City Chiefs defeat the Buffalo Bills 31 - 7.
NFL Championship Game: The Green Bay Packers defeat the Dallas Cowboys 34 - 27.
NFL Championship Game: The Green Bay Packers defeat the Dallas Cowboys 34 - 27.
The Miami Dolphins joined the AFL and the Atlanta Falcons joined the NFL this year as well.
The World Series: The Los Angeles Dodgers win their second straight World Series, 4 games to 3 against the Baltimore Orioles. Recent Dodgers acquisition Roberto Clemente is named World Series MVP, and batting coach DiMaggio suggests that Clemente might be "the best since I played the game myself!"
NBA Finals: The Boston Celtics pick up an unprecedented fourth straight championship after defeating the Los Angeles Lakers 4 games to 3.
Stanley Cup: The Montreal Canadiens follow up their championship in 1965 with a second cup victory over, this time over the Detroit Red Wings, beating them 4 - 2.
Time Magazine’s Person of the Year: “The Inheritor” - Representing the Baby Boomer Generation, aged 25 and under.
Nobel Laureates - 1966
Physics - Alfred Kastler
Chemistry - Robert S. Mulliken
Physiology or Medicine - Peyton Rous and Charles Brenton Huggins
Literature - Shmuel Yosef Agnon and Nelly Sachs
Peace - None awarded in 1966
Other Pop Culture Highlights and Headlines of the Year
August - The Lunar Orbiter 1, the first American spacecraft to orbit the Moon, is launched by NASA as part of its joint mission to the Moon with the Soviets. In November, Buzz Aldrin and Jim Lovell complete the last of the Gemini Mission flights by performing several experiments while in orbit. NASA and the Soviet team are tirelessly at work to complete Kennedy and Khrushchev’s goal of a Moon landing before the end of the decade.
Cassius Clay defeats Henry Cooper in two title bouts in the United Kingdom.
In Italy, Pope Paul VI meets with Arthur Michael Ramsey, the Archbishop of Canterbury. This represents the first official meeting between the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches in 400 years.
England defeats Germany to win the 1966 World Cup Final!
Kevlar is invented in the United States by Stephanie Kwolek and Fibre Optics in the UK by Charles Keo and George Hockham.
President Kennedy casually admits to being a fan of Star Trek during a press conference, granting the show a boost in ratings during its mid season slump.
Next Time on Blue Skies in Camelot: A return to U.S. politics
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TTL will feature bands that are similar to OTL, but may have different names, members, and so on. Hendrix playing with "Buster and the Battery" is just the start of that Great pop culture update! Interesting to see TTL never having Yoko Ona and Lennon become a couple. The ramnifications of this, I can’t imagine, but I suspect the Beatles will be able to last longer, especially with Elvis’ support.
JFK has good taste in sci-fi.
JFK has good taste in sci-fi.
Thank you as always, ImperialTheorist!
Ono and Lennon never getting together will definitely influence each other's development as an artist, and the Beatles are in for a wild ride ITTL. Couldn't agree more on JFK's taste I have a deep love for Trek myself.