Blood Stained Carpet and the Pretzel of Death: A Post 9/11 Timeline

The war has begun

October 3rd, 2002
All of the following events are recorded in the UTC+09 zone. Please note that I am not too knowledgeable in the area of military technology, so I will be using very basic terms.
 
October 3rd
3:00 am : US, British, and South Korean(Coalition) aircraft launched from aircraft carriers and runways. Congress is informed of the invasion.

3:12 am: Coalition aircraft launched from the aircraft carriers attack the North Korean surface ships. Aircrafts launched from land bomb the DMZ zone in order to clear the landscape and to forcibly detonate any undiscovered mines.

3:16 am: North Korean artillery begin firing across the DMZ into Seoul. There is an estimated 1.5 million casualties in the first hour.

3:20 am: The first North Korean aircrafts are launched in response to the US attack.

3:45 am: It is estimated that approximately 40% of the KPN eastern fleet is sunk, and 30% of the western fleet is sunk.

4:00 am: At 2:00 pm US eastern time, in an address from the Oval Office, President Dick Cheney tells the people of the United States of the Actions being taken in Korea.

4:13 am: Coalition air forces begin bombing North Korean military bases.

4:20 am: Kim Jong-Il makes an announcement over the North Korean State Radio, informing the people that the battle for survival against the Imperialist United States has finally begun.

4:33 am: Bombing of the DMZ is halted.

4: 55 am: US and South Korean forces cross into the DMZ zone, carefully traversing the obliterated terrain in case any land mines did not detonate.

5:11 am: North Korean troops are sent into the DMZ.

5: 43 am: Coalition forces encounter North Korean forces along the 38th Parallel and begin a firefight.

6:01 am: An estimated 150 aircraft have been shot down over the Korean peninsula. 137 North Korean, 13 Coalition.

6:22 am: All of the North Korean eastern fleet surface ships in the have been sunk. A hunt for North Korean submarines is called to be the main focus of naval operations in the Sea of Japan. An estimated 30% of the North Korean western fleet remains, mainly submarines.

6:59 am: North Korean forces fall back away from the 38th parallel with Coalition forces advancing.

7:40 am: Coalition forces push North Korean forces across the Imjin river. The North Korean forces set up a defensive line on the northern side of the river.

8:00 am: US tanks cross the 38th Parallel into North Korea seeking to go around the Imjin river. On the eastern edge of the peninsula North Korean forces fall back to the Northern bank of the Bukhan river, forming a defensive line.

8:17 am: Coalition forces enter into the cities of Kosong, Kaesong, P’anmunjom-ni. A small number North Korean soldiers remain in the city, mostly snipers and soldiers trained for urban war fare. The soldiers trained for urban warfare instruct the remaining citizens in the cities to construct the weapons and bombs from household items. Home made bombs are randomly thrown from windows, around corners, and behind walls at coalition soldiers. This creates an uneasy atmosphere and a very chaotic situation.

8:32 am: US tanks are halted by North Korean anti-tank forces in the gap between the Imjin river and the eastern coast.

8:53 am: It is determined that all North Korean surface ships have been sunk. However, there are still 50 submarines unaccounted for. The main focus of the naval war is now hunting the North Korean submarines.

9:10 am: Pyongyang is bombed by coalition aircrafts. Much of the leadership of North Korea evacuate and head north toward the Chinese border. Kim Jong-Il, however, stays.

9:46 am: Coalition aircrafts bomb the defensive lines north of the Imjin and Bukhan rivers.

10:00 am: Lines stabilize across Korea as North Korean forces are fully mobilized. Supply lines are broken by North Korean citizens attacking with weapons and bombs fashioned from household items. This forces more coalition forces to stay behind the front line to root out insurgents in the cities and country sides.
 
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October 3rd, 2002
All of the following events are recorded in the UTC+09 zone. Please note that I am not too knowledgeable in the area of military technology, so I will be using very basic terms.
 
October 3rd
3:00 am : US, British, and South Korean(Coalition) aircraft launched from aircraft carriers and runways. Congress is informed of the invasion.

3:12 am: Coalition aircraft launched from the aircraft carriers attack the North Korean surface ships. Aircrafts launched from land bomb the DMZ zone in order to clear the landscape and to forcibly detonate any undiscovered mines.

3:20 am: The first North Korean aircrafts are launched in response to the US attack.

3:45 am: It is estimated that approximately 40% of the KPN eastern fleet is sunk, and 30% of the western fleet is sunk.

4:00 am: At 2:00 pm US eastern time, in an address from the Oval Office, President Dick Cheney tells the people of the United States of the Actions being taken in Korea.

4:13 am: Coalition air forces begin bombing North Korean military bases.

4:20 am: Kim Jong-Il makes an announcement over the North Korean State Radio, informing the people that the battle for survival against the Imperialist United States has finally begun.

4:33 am: Bombing of the DMZ is halted.

4: 55 am: US and South Korean forces cross into the DMZ zone, carefully traversing the obliterated terrain in case any land mines did not detonate.

5:11 am: North Korean troops are sent into the DMZ.

5: 43 am: Coalition forces encounter North Korean forces along the 38th Parallel and begin a firefight.

6:01 am: An estimated 150 aircraft have been shot down over the Korean peninsula. 137 North Korean, 13 Coalition.

6:22 am: All of the North Korean eastern fleet surface ships in the have been sunk. A hunt for North Korean submarines is called to be the main focus of naval operations in the Sea of Japan. An estimated 30% of the North Korean western fleet remains, mainly submarines.

6:59 am: North Korean forces fall back away from the 38th parallel with Coalition forces advancing.

7:40 am: Coalition forces push North Korean forces across the Imjin river. The North Korean forces set up a defensive line on the northern side of the river.

8:00 am: US tanks cross the 38th Parallel into North Korea seeking to go around the Imjin river. On the eastern edge of the peninsula North Korean forces fall back to the Northern bank of the Bukhan river, forming a defensive line.

8:17 am: Coalition forces enter into the cities of Kosong, Kaesong, P’anmunjom-ni. A small number North Korean soldiers remain in the city, mostly snipers and soldiers trained for urban war fare. The soldiers trained for urban warfare instruct the remaining citizens in the cities to construct the weapons and bombs from household items. Home made bombs are randomly thrown from windows, around corners, and behind walls at coalition soldiers. This creates an uneasy atmosphere and a very chaotic situation.

8:32 am: US tanks are halted by North Korean anti-tank forces in the gap between the Imjin river and the eastern coast.

8:53 am: It is determined that all North Korean surface ships have been sunk. However, there are still 50 submarines unaccounted for. The main focus of the naval war is now hunting the North Korean submarines.

9:10 am: Pyongyang is bombed by coalition aircrafts. Much of the leadership of North Korea evacuate and head north toward the Chinese border. Kim Jong-Il, however, stays.

9:46 am: Coalition aircrafts bomb the defensive lines north of the Imjin and Bukhan rivers.

10:00 am: Lines stabilize across Korea as North Korean forces are fully mobilized. Supply lines are broken by North Korean citizens attacking with weapons and bombs fashioned from household items. This forces more coalition forces to stay behind the front line to root out insurgents in the cities and country sides.

1) How are the US forces advancing? Don't the North Koreans have much larger forces in the area?

2) You haven't mentioned the million+ casualties in Seoul as the North Korean artillery flattens most of the city.
 
1) How are the US forces advancing? Don't the North Koreans have much larger forces in the area?

2) You haven't mentioned the million+ casualties in Seoul as the North Korean artillery flattens most of the city.

1. They are advancing with I guess you could call it a blitzkrieg like tactic. They have superior air power over the North Koreans. It's not an easy fight, but the North Koreans have been purposely falling back in order to create a stronger line up north and then turn the coalition forces back.

2. I didn't even think about that, thank you. I have made an edit and a second part for the first day of the invasion will be up soon.
 
I decided on not making a part 2 of the October 3rd invasion.


October, 2002
October 1st: The US Congress passes a joint resolution which authorizes the President to use the United States Armed Forces as he deems necessary and appropriate, against North Korea.

October 3rd: US, British, and South Korean forces (Coalition forces) launch an attack on North Korea, destroying all of the North Korean surface ships. By 10:00 am the Coalition advance is halted at the Imjin and Bukhan rivers.

October 6th: North Korean forces launch a counter attack against Coalition forces, pushing them back half way to the DMZ line, and a a French oil tanker, explodes off the coast of Yemen, in a terrorist attack.

October 7th: Israeli troops raid Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip, killing 13 nd wounding as many as 100, after Palestinians fire a rocket at a Jewish settlement in the area. Later Palestinians kidnap and kill Rajeh Abu Lehiya, chief of the Palestinian riot police, and two others die in gunfire during a police-Hamas supporters conflict.

October 9th: The Dot-Com bubble reaches bottom, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average slips below 7,200.

October 11th: More than 10,000 supporters of Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat rallied in Gaza City to show strength against Hamas.

October 13th: Coalition forces in North Korea manage to push the North Korean army back to the Imjin River.

October 14th: Coalition forces launch an amphibious assaults along the east coast of North Korea, taking the cities of Kimch’aek, Ch’ongjin, Sonbong, and Najin. These invasions used 40000 Americans, 20000 British, and 5000 South Koreans. Despite a tough landing, once the beaches were taken the capture of the cities were fairly easy. [1]

October 15: A rocket hits a U.S. bunker in Lwara amidst a rocket attack, U.S. forces detain three suspects, and five Japanese abductees are executed in North Korea.

October 16th: Defense Minister George Fernandes of India, announces that there will be no troop withdrawls on the border with Pakistan, and there will be an increase in strength along the Line of Control in Kashmir.

October 19th: A joint UN, US ispection confirmed that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

October 21st: Coalition troops break the Imjin line [2] and push north.

October 25th: Hundreds of Israeli soldiers, backed by scores of tanks and other military vehicles, take control of the Palestinian Authority administered city of Jenin in response to a suicide bombing that killed 14 people.

October 27th: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is elected President of Brazil.

October 28th: Coalition forces reach the Taedong river where the North Koreans form another defensive line.

October 31st: The Coalition forces that landed on the Eastern coast of North Korea pushed around the Taedong river and attack Pyongyang from the North.
 
November, 2002
November 1st: The southern Coalition forces break the Taedong line and attack Pyongyang from the south. Urban warfare ensues the entire city.

November 2nd: The Godless Americans March on Washington brings together 2,000 atheists in a mile-long parade down the National Mall.

November 3rd: Former Afghan King Mohammad Zaher Shah inaugurated a special committee set up to draft a new constitution for this war-ravaged nation. The nine-member committee, headed by Vice President Nayiamatullah Shahrani, took on the task of preparing a preliminary draft of the document and to later be reviewed by a constitutional commission. The Battle of Pyongyang ends with a coalition victory.

November 4th: The Islamist Turkish Justice and Development Party (AKP) has won the Turkish general election. The AKP's chairman Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, becomes Prime Minister of Turkey.

November 5th: The Republicans maintain control of the House of Representatives and gain control of the Senate, and Ariel Sharon, Israel's prime minister dissolved parliament and called for elections early next year.

November 6th: The People’s Republic of China begins a secret policy of providing asylum for members of the former North Korean government and North Korean soldiers. Several North Korean submarines that had not been found by Coalition naval forces surface off the shore of China, seeking asylum.

November 7th: Iran banned advertising of US products and an Iranian, believing a sorcerer had made him invisible, tried to rob a bank in Tehran.

November 10th: While excavating Pyongyang, the body of Kim Jong-il is found in a collapsed bunker. Several other members of the government are found there aw well. The fate of Kim Jong-il’s son and successor, Kim Jong-un, is still unknown.

November 12th: A tape of Osama bin Laden was broadcast on by the Arabic-language al-Jazeera satellite television channel based in Qatar. On the tape, he warned U.S. allies that they would be targets of new attacks if they continued to back the United States.

November 15th: Hu Jintao becomes General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.

November 18th: It is revealed that Kim Jong-un has received asylum in Beijing, China, along with several other higher up members of the Worker’s Party of Korea.

November 20th: The United States demands that China hand over Kim Jong-un.

November 21st: At the NATO Summit in Prague, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Austria, and Slovenia are invited to join the organization.

November 23rd: Footage of labor and prison camps in North Korea are released to the rest of the world. The sights of these camps horrify westerners and there is now a universal condemnation of the former government of North Korea. More nations join the US in demanding that China hand over any and all members of the former North Korean government to the United States.

November 24th: General elections in Austria result in a landslide victory (42.27% of the vote) of the conservative Austrian People's Party led by Federal Chancellor Wolfgang Schüssel.

November 25th: Despite the death of Kim Jong-il and collapse of the North Korean government, die hard communists and civilians wage a guerilla war against Coalition forces.

November 27th: At this point, A total of 12000 Coalition soldiers have been killed, 7000 Americans, 3500 British, and 1500 South Korean. An estimated 100,000 uniformed North Koreans have been killed, wounded, or missing. There has not been an accurate count of the number of civilians who have been killed.

November 30th: A new US government program/operation is approved by President Dick Cheney. This new program is called Operation Truth. A set of camps will be set up in North Korea where the civilians who have been displaced can receive food, shelter, and medicine. Along with these services, they also have internet access and television. This is designed to help and inform the North Korean people of the lies and propaganda they have been fed by Kim Jong-il’s regime.
 
Are you eventually working towards a Korean reunification?

Yes. However it won't happen immidietly. North Korea will be occupied for a couple years while they try to stamp out the last of the die hard communists and Kim Jong-il worshipers. They are also on a program of educating the populace of the former north korea of the outside world and of the lies their government told them.
 
6:01 am: An estimated 150 aircraft have been shot down over the Korean peninsula. 137 North Korean, 13 Coalition.

November 27th: At this point, A total of 12000 Coalition soldiers have been killed, 7000 Americans, 3500 British, and 1500 South Korean. An estimated 100,000 uniformed North Koreans have been killed, wounded, or missing. There has not been an accurate count of the number of civilians who have been killed.

These casualties are a bit over the top. The NKPAF is a ramshackle mess that can barely take off, if put against the USAF it would be a cricket score. The area where the Coalition would suffer casualties is from SAM's and AA which North Korea does have in great quantities so that might easily push Allied losses up to 13 over the course of the war. However I really doubt that North Korea could get 137 planes in the air to be shot down, maybe you want to retcon that to 400+ destroyed on the ground and 75 in the air.

Ground Force Casualties are really unrealistic. While the North Koreans are a tougher nut to crack than the Iraqi Army in 2003 they can be compared to the Iraqi Army of 1991 (i.e. big but ill-trained and 60's era Soviet equipment). In Desert Storm the Allies suffered 392 KIA. You might want to double that but not much more for the US plus considerable South Korean civilian casualties from Arty bombardments.
Also 3500 British KIA is insane, the max British effort would be 2 combat Brigades (probably 16 Air Assault or 3 Commando plus 7th Armoured), 2 Combat Brigades combined have about 5000 front-line troops (not counting the 20,000 loggies needed to keep them supplied). You seem to be suggesting that the British force has suffered 70% KIA. I think that's a bit over the top, try 70 KIA and 300 WIA.
 
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These casualties are a bit over the top. The NKPAF is a ramshackle mess that can barely take off, if put against the USAF it would be a cricket score. The area where the Coalition would suffer casualties is from SAM's and AA which North Korea does have in great quantities so that might easily push Allied losses up to 13 over the course of the war. However I really doubt that North Korea could get 137 planes in the air to be shot down, maybe you want to retcon that to 400+ destroyed on the ground and 75 in the air.

Ground Force Casualties are really unrealistic. While the North Koreans are a tougher nut to crack than the Iraqi Army in 2003 they can be compared to the Iraqi Army of 1991 (i.e. big but ill-trained and 60's era Soviet equipment). In Desert Storm the Allies suffered 392 KIA. You might want to double that but not much more for the US plus considerable South Korean civilian casualties from Arty bombardments.
Also 3500 British KIA is insane, the max British effort would be 2 combat Brigades (probably 16 Air Assault or 3 Commando plus 7th Armoured), 2 Combat Brigades combined have about 5000 front-line troops (not counting the 20,000 loggies needed to keep them supplied). You seem to be suggesting that the British force has suffered 70% KIA. I think that's a bit over the top, try 70 KIA and 300 WIA.

I would have thought Britain would contribute more than that, OTL Iraqi Freedom Britain put in both 16 Air Assualt and 3 Commando along with 1st Armoured Division. Including logisticals there were 45,000 troops.
Have to agree though the casualties seem a bit excessive, especially the artillery bombardment of Seoul; 1.5 million casualties in one hour is far beyond the destruction of the Allied obliteration of Hamburg and Dreseden, even the nuclear bombings of Japan.
If you do stick with casualty figures though it would probably bring down the UK Labour government. The pacifists over here find 500 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan combined unbearable, 3500 after two months in Korea and there'd be mass peace demonstrations and riots
 
Britain managed to push three Brigades to Iraq where they a. had more time to prep, b. were much closer to home, c. had pre-positioned equipment and still 7th Armoured was not really ready for D-Day.
In the shorter time frame and much longer distance in this tl the UK might send three Brigades who are effectively two due to lack of things like APC's and Tanks for the Armoured unit.
You can fly 16 Air Assault and send 3 Commando on HMS Ocean, HMS Invincible and HMS Fearless. 7th Armoured is having to go via sea freight, which is going to take at minimum two months.
However even if you ASB all three units with their full ToE into Theatre the UK simply doesn't have the sealift to keep them all supplied with essentials at that distance. And while they can be feed by the Yanks, the Yanks don't have Challenger 2 spare parts stored at Okinawa, Britain did have those parts stored in Bahrain which enabled Op Telic.
Much more sensible would be to allocated a Heavy Brigade (7th Armoured) to the main ground fight and send 3 Commando to beef up the US Marines in their amphib landing.
 
These casualties are a bit over the top. The NKPAF is a ramshackle mess that can barely take off, if put against the USAF it would be a cricket score. The area where the Coalition would suffer casualties is from SAM's and AA which North Korea does have in great quantities so that might easily push Allied losses up to 13 over the course of the war. However I really doubt that North Korea could get 137 planes in the air to be shot down, maybe you want to retcon that to 400+ destroyed on the ground and 75 in the air.

Ground Force Casualties are really unrealistic. While the North Koreans are a tougher nut to crack than the Iraqi Army in 2003 they can be compared to the Iraqi Army of 1991 (i.e. big but ill-trained and 60's era Soviet equipment). In Desert Storm the Allies suffered 392 KIA. You might want to double that but not much more for the US plus considerable South Korean civilian casualties from Arty bombardments.
Also 3500 British KIA is insane, the max British effort would be 2 combat Brigades (probably 16 Air Assault or 3 Commando plus 7th Armoured), 2 Combat Brigades combined have about 5000 front-line troops (not counting the 20,000 loggies needed to keep them supplied). You seem to be suggesting that the British force has suffered 70% KIA. I think that's a bit over the top, try 70 KIA and 300 WIA.

I would have thought Britain would contribute more than that, OTL Iraqi Freedom Britain put in both 16 Air Assualt and 3 Commando along with 1st Armoured Division. Including logisticals there were 45,000 troops.
Have to agree though the casualties seem a bit excessive, especially the artillery bombardment of Seoul; 1.5 million casualties in one hour is far beyond the destruction of the Allied obliteration of Hamburg and Dreseden, even the nuclear bombings of Japan.
If you do stick with casualty figures though it would probably bring down the UK Labour government. The pacifists over here find 500 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan combined unbearable, 3500 after two months in Korea and there'd be mass peace demonstrations and riots

Britain managed to push three Brigades to Iraq where they a. had more time to prep, b. were much closer to home, c. had pre-positioned equipment and still 7th Armoured was not really ready for D-Day.
In the shorter time frame and much longer distance in this tl the UK might send three Brigades who are effectively two due to lack of things like APC's and Tanks for the Armoured unit.
You can fly 16 Air Assault and send 3 Commando on HMS Ocean, HMS Invincible and HMS Fearless. 7th Armoured is having to go via sea freight, which is going to take at minimum two months.
However even if you ASB all three units with their full ToE into Theatre the UK simply doesn't have the sealift to keep them all supplied with essentials at that distance. And while they can be feed by the Yanks, the Yanks don't have Challenger 2 spare parts stored at Okinawa, Britain did have those parts stored in Bahrain which enabled Op Telic.
Much more sensible would be to allocated a Heavy Brigade (7th Armoured) to the main ground fight and send 3 Commando to beef up the US Marines in their amphib landing.

Noted. Thank you for the critiques. I do have eventual plans to remake this timeline, but not yet. This will be one of the things I will make sure to address.

Now I ask, despite the casualty rates, what about the political aftermath? Is it plausible or realistic?
 
Well in this tl North Korea is looking pretty guilty and assuming "acceptable" casualties and lots of tv footage of North Korean prisoner camps the political fallout will be beneficial. So I'd expect Blair and Cheney's approval ratings to holdup based purely on this issue.
Internationally China is going to be pissed as hell but can't really do anything, a trade war or actual war will hurt them worse. Japan will be over the moon and South Korea will both be pissed off about having their capital wrecked (though not 1.5 million dead, that is ASB, the S.Koreans can move out of range) and delighted that the horror is over, so expect polarisation between "America liberated our suffering brethren" and "American aggression got my house blown up".
 
December, 2002

December 5th: At Arusha, Tanzania, President Pierre Buyoya of Burundi and Pierre Nkurunziza, leader of the Hutu insurgents Forces for the Defense of Democracy (FDD), signed a cease-fire accord.

December 6th: Israeli troops backed by tanks and helicopter gunships swept into the Bureij refugee camp in the Gaza Strip on Friday, provoking a gunbattle and killing 10 people,.

December 10th: The government of Indonesia and rebel leaders from the province of Aceh have signed a peace accord which negotiators hope will bring an end to fighting in the province, and a general election for the new government of Venezuela is held.

December 12th : Hans Enoksen is elected prime minister of Greenland, and Venezuela enters into a 2nd round vote after none of the candidates could achieve over 50% of the popular vote. The three candidates are Jose’ Vincente Rangel running as an independent receiving 34% of the Popular vote in the first round, Adina Bastidas running as a candidate for a coalition of left wing parties receiving 33% of the popular vote, and Pedro Carmona representing a coalition of right wing Parties receiving 33% of the popular vote.

December 13th: The European Union invited Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Cyprus, and Malta to join.

December 14th: After the second round of voting, Jose’ Vincente Rangel achieves 44% of the popular vote, while Adina Bastidas achieving 42% of the popular vote, and Pedro Carmona achieving only 14%. A third round is called for, with Pedro Carmona dropping from the Race.

December 16th: Secretary of State Colin Powell meets with Chinese Premier, Zhu Rongji, to negotiate a handover of Kim Jong-un and other members of the former North Korean government.

December 19th: After a third round of voting, Jose’ Vincente Rangel wins with 54% of the popular vote. In the Republic of Korea, Lee Hoi-Chang of the Grand National Party wins the presidential election with 51% of the popular vote.


December 20th: The cult television show Firefly, created by Joss Whedon is approved for 2 more seasons.

December 21st: In an interview on CNN, former Vice President Al Gore says when asked about a 2004 candidacy, “I don’t think I will run, but I’m still considering the option”.

December 23rd: Colin Powell concludes a deal with Zhu Rongji for an exchange of persons. China will publicly hand over Kim Jong-un and the other members of the North Korean government to the United States, and in exchange the US will also secretly hand over several Chinese Muslims that had been captured in Afghanistan. The US also agrees to not seek the handover of North Korean Military persons who are currently in China. However, China is to stop any further North Korean Military Personnel from entering into China. Any who attempt to do so are to be handed over to either US, UK, or RoK forces.

December 26th: Israel announces it will begin with temporarily providing social services such as education, healthcare, and licenses in the West Bank.

December 27th: A suicide truck-bomb attack destroys the headquarters of Chechnya's Moscow-backed government, killing 72.

December 29th: A joint plan made between the CIA and the Republic of Korea have formulated a plan for the Republic of Korea to gradually annex the provinces of North Korea.

December 30th: The Israeli Supreme Court rules that reservists may not refuse to serve in the West Bank or Gaza because of their objection to Israeli government policies.
 
Well, this is happening ALOT sooner then I'ld planned to, but I will be rewriting this timeline shortly. After all of the comments and critiques of casualties from the war with North Korea, I have decided to rewrite the timeline. I plan to rewrite this timeline in different style then it is now. Any suggestions on what style to do? I was thinking something like either Manstein in Africa or Leader of the Free World. Thoughts?
 
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