Was Walt Whitman socialist, or was that merely suggested by his poetry?
I think it was more of less just suggested by his writings.
Was Walt Whitman socialist, or was that merely suggested by his poetry?
Well, my point was don't forget ALL the NYSM, which numbered in the tens of thousands (some with better records han others, of course) in the 1850s...
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Actually come to think of it, this is the first TL I've read where's there's been even a semi-successful shot at the Queen.
Good point. To be honest, this part of the TL is more of the setup for how the communists end up in Florida (Know Nothings basically close New York to immigration and, as we see in the next update, Engels is forced to go back to his father with hat in hand due to the new tax put on immigrants in New York). As a result, I need to be careful not to rush through this and ignore something like the overall size of the NYSM and how it will factor in this scenario.
Good point. To be honest, this part of the TL is more of the setup for how the communists end up in Florida (Know Nothings basically close New York to immigration and, as we see in the next update, Engels is forced to go back to his father with hat in hand due to the new tax put on immigrants in New York). As a result, I need to be careful not to rush through this and ignore something like the overall size of the NYSM and how it will factor in this scenario.
How long would such a law stand? Even before the Civil War, wasn't immigration regulation a power reserved to the Federal Government? It could certainly cause an exodus, but it would also cause some severe economic dislocation, and it seems likely to end up in the Supreme Court.
I think the idea of a "frontier" society in Florida where the confrontation between pro- and anti-slavery is interesting, but the question of rebellion within an existing state leads immediately to the possibility of federal action...
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True, but that might just be what Engels and the communists are banking on...
....particularly when they are told of the Florida Armed Occupation Act of 1842, which promised each of them 160 acres if they moved to Florida. For Engels, one additional requirement stands out: the requirement that each person accepting said offer also agrees to bear arms.
You might have some reason not to provide a link to the OTL law you reference just yet, but looking it up so far I've learned there is a geographic restriction as well--as far as I can make out, the law applies to land south of 29 degrees 42 minutes north--so I infer from references to "about 3 miles north of one town and 10 south of another." I've tried to show where that so indirectly and imprecisely defined latitude is on the attached map.
OK, I think that's a good size, considering I can't use a political map as a reference. I'm using a brew of G.Projector and Photoshop; G.Projector requires an equirectangular base file which is why it is so pixillated; I have to use a base that covers the whole world and I don't have such an equirectangular map with towns and local features circa 1850!Nor would the software and my computer be able to handle that level of local detail.
So this is more impressionistic than I might like, but anyway, we're talking about that part of Florida. I wonder if the latitude was chosen precisely to include as much of the southeastern peninsula as possible while excluding all parts of the panhandle--the latitude seems to skim just along the shoreline at Port Saint Joseph, at the tip of the triangular western peninsula I always thought, as a kid mostly living in that vicinity, as the "trigger" of the "gun" Florida looked like on the map.
A not inappropriate similarity!ITTL--and OTL.
I gather the latitude is defined precisely enough, in the actual statute, but in terms of Florida's township coordinates, not global ones.
What bout the other eastern ports? And does this mean that the Papbst, Schlitz and Blatz families arent moving to the midwest?![]()
This is a very fascinating timeline Pellegrino. You seem to have a talent not just with history, but with your historical figures seem human. I can't wait for the next update.
Fascinating! Love how your tying all the disparate characters together through so many plausible means! Can't wait to see where you go next!
Excellent work, I was beginning to get worried that you wouldn't continue this, great to see it continued.