Black This Out- A Ron Paul 2012 Timeline

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I am not sure about China and Afghanistan, the latter has been a victim of the Drone Strikes but does it need the US? Also unsure about Africa.

Afghanistan's public opinion was strongly anti-U.S. occupation by this time, however the fragile government needs U.S. troops. I see the people (who concern themselves with policy over here) trending toward Paul while the government supports Obama. As for China, I'm not sure.

(Unrelated. I miss your TL, I thought it was good, better then some of the first-time stuff I see, especially mine:D)
 
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Image made for the upcoming general election.

That looks like something from Tekken. :D
 
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Afghanistan's public opinion was strongly anti-U.S. occupation by this time, however the fragile government needs U.S. troops. I see the people (who concern themselves with policy over here) trending toward Paul while the government supports Obama. As for China, I'm not sure.

(Unrelated. I miss your TL, I thought it was good, better then some of the first-time stuff I see, especially mine:D)

China would most likely support whoever continues their economic relationship.

I can actually see protests between the people vs the leaders in some of the places with a high Anti-American population but the governments needing American support.

Given what has transpired in Iceland in 2010, they might also support Ron Paul too, so would the British Independence Party and the Polish Libertarians. Since Ron Paul considered Canada a important trading ally

I'm gonna pm the author some of my ideas, see how he responds.
 
Saakashvili most likely would side with Obama. (He has honored Biden and Kerry.) I'm sure the leader of the Georgian Dream coalition would prefer Paul. (Though TBMK the opposition shares the view that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are Georgian...which Paul does not.)
Add Morocco to the Obama supporters. Paul wouldn't care much for old alliances- and it doesn't get older than them. (Plus, Paul might recognize Western Sahara.)
Paul wouldn't try to antagonize the PRC- but he might recognize the ROC.
Mexico might be opposed to a Paul win, since it would involve a more militarized border.
Paul wouldn't restrict things with Venezuela or Cuba as much as OTL, but might put military pressure on the former- and definitely on the latter.
 
Saakashvili most likely would side with Obama. (He has honored Biden and Kerry.) I'm sure the leader of the Georgian Dream coalition would prefer Paul. (Though TBMK the opposition shares the view that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are Georgian...which Paul does not.)
Add Morocco to the Obama supporters. Paul wouldn't care much for old alliances- and it doesn't get older than them. (Plus, Paul might recognize Western Sahara.)
Paul wouldn't try to antagonize the PRC- but he might recognize the ROC.
Mexico might be opposed to a Paul win, since it would involve a more militarized border.
Paul wouldn't restrict things with Venezuela or Cuba as much as OTL, but might put military pressure on the former- and definitely on the latter.

They'll probably recognize the ROC as the government of Taiwan, but the PRC as the government of China. I can't see him being too hard on Cuba through, especially concerning the fact that he will lift the Cuba embargo and sanctions.

Also what does Zacoftheaxes think of these ideas?
 
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Sorry bout the double post but in case Zac's having trouble updating, I think it's cause he should include more viewpoints instead of just focusing on a few. I like to see viewpoints from other Paulbots like Julie Borowski and Adam Kokesh as well as people like Justin Raimondo and Max Keiser not to mention conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, Mike Adams and Gerald Celente.

I also like to see Paul Fest have a larger turnout..we had about 3000-10000 ppl in the actual Paul Fest, but here it will probably be the huge turnout they predicted.
 
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I hope for his absence, Zac is taking time to do research on some of my points and working them into the TL.

Because it would really be a shame for this timeline to die because I'm a Paulbot and I would at least see one timeline where it's Paul vs.Obama!

EDIT: If this thread goes back to page 5, bump it up unless we get confirmation that it's dead.
 
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I love the format of this timeline, using the media posts. Sometimes the bloggers feel a little disjointed, but I understand why they're important. I think this'll be pretty interesting regardless - even if Paul's OTL chances have always been slim, I still find him a pretty fascinating figure and think a TL where he makes it is deserving of being written.
 
I hope for his absence, Zac is taking time to do research on some of my points and working them into the TL.

Because it would really be a shame for this timeline to die because I'm a Paulbot and I would at least see one timeline where it's Paul vs.Obama!

EDIT: If this thread goes back to page 5, bump it up unless we get confirmation that it's dead.

It's not dead, I've been a bit busy, the update is coming along though, I just don't want to post anything too short for an update.
 

“We really made a splash when we 'ruined' the Green Party convention. At least if the RevLeft and Tumblr progressive types are to be believed. I think we did a good job. If it wasn't for us, Roseanne Barr wouldn't have gotten the nomination. Maybe people wouldn't have been able to look into other far left third parties. All these people online say they're “spreading awareness”. Anarchonamous has proof we did. There's a reason I'm in a prison cell and every teenager on Twitter are working at a McDonalds somewhere. I did something with my life.” - Bradley Boone, founder of Anarchonamous, Online Radicals, a History of Extremism on the Internet

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“John Tate was certain that we needed to announce our running mate before the convention so the
'base would have a chance to get used to them.' Due to this, Ron and I had to sit down with every single person considered for the job within the span of three weeks. We went down the list. Johnson of course was entirely interested in the position and despite disagreements on issues like abortion, Paul was willing to select him. As a long time and useful surrogate, discussions with Johnson were quick and simple. He was definitely interested in being the running mate and we were interested in him. He could also help us tip the southwest. We still had to consider everyone else.

Next on our list was William Weld, who was a close friend of Mitt Romney and a moderate whom we saw as a way to earn more votes in the Northeast. In the end, it came down to Weld's endorsement of Obama in 2008. While Paul had endorsed plenty of third party candidates the same year, Paul would not be debating any of them. But Obama mentioning that Paul's running mate had endorsed him just four years earlier would be a kiss of death in the debates.By our estimates, he'd have only helped turn out voters in New Hampshire and Maine, not enough electoral votes to make up for his 2008 endorsement.

Things broke down very quickly with Jodi Rell after we asked her about the “F” her economic policies received from the Cato Institute. She was very quickly not interested in how we were planning to campaign,

Our sit down with DeMint went nowhere and he asked us to no longer consider him. He wished us the best of luck but he said he couldn't allow him self to tone down on important social issues.

Michael Steele came close, but he had far too much loser stigma and not enough “real” experience. Jones and Napalitano were considered and liked but we wanted someone with more experience than Paul, not less. Johnson was the obvious choice.”

-Jesse Benton, All The King's Horses

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“This morning Ron Paul announced his running mate by the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, PA. Former governor of New Mexico Gary Johnson, another libertarian-minded Republican is a controversial choice for a divided party. -Ashleigh Banfield, CNN Newsroom, July 18th, 2012

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“This is probably the best presidential ticket I've seen in my life. Republicans have come a long way since Bush.”- Jesse Ventura, Twitter, July 18th, 2012

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“For the first time since George McGovern, we finally have an anti-war presidential ticket.”- Justin Raimondo, Twitter, July 18th, 2012

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“Governor Johnson is a great man and a great choice for a running mate.” -Mitt Romney, Twitter, July 18th, 2012

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“It was fun. The cast was huge and we had so much fun off camera you could make another movie about it. The role itself was challenging, but thankfully it was not at all hard to learn about.”- Jeff Goldblum, interviewed on December 8th, 2016, question referring to his role as Gary Johnson in Revolution

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July 2012

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Chris Brown, 23,American R&B singer, murder

-Deaths in 2012, Wikipedia.org

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“Earlier today, Chris Brown was shot while in court on assault charges. He died instantly when the shot penetrated his skull. Justice has been done.”-Lisa Pericolo, Twitter, July 27th, 2012

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“When funeral info is announced, I'll be heading to wherever the funeral is to protest it. Join me if you can. #BIHChrisBrown.”-Lisa Pericolo, Twitter, July 27th, 2012

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“Chris Brown's shooter, also named Chris Brown, killed himself immediately after shooting Brown. Police found a note to singer Rihanna pinned to his chest.”- Wolf Blitzer, The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, July 27th, 2012

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“People have been asking me, that since I've ran on a third party before if I will participate in debates with third party candidates, and I've decided to do just that. I will be attending the Free and Equal debates, and I ask President Obama to do the same.”- Ron Paul, Facebook, August 2nd 2012

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“The White House has declined to comment on whether or not President Obama will be attending the Free and Equal debates.”- Anderson Cooper, Anderson Cooper 360, August 5th, 2012

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“You can't get pregnant from legitimate rape. It's just a biological impossibility.”- Todd Akin, KTVI-TV Interview, August 14th, 2012

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“Hear what Todd Akin said today? That's what every single Republican thinks. Remember women, Republicans want you to be raped.”- Lisa Pericolo, Twitter, August 14th, 2012


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“As an obstetrician, I can say that Todd Akin clearly has no idea what he's talking about in regards to rape and pregnancy.”- Ron Paul, Piers Morgan Tonight, August 15th, 2012​
 
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That's a good move by Paul.
Raimondo would likely add "...on a major party ticket."
While Stein was a good candidate, I hope Barr/Sheehan gets more votes than OTL Greens.
And I'm looking forward to Paul's singlehandedly crashing the major party system by opening the debates. (Though Obama might pull a Pelosi and refuse to debate.)
 
I have to wonder the logic in picking two libertarians, but I certainly wouldn't raise any objections :D

The hints that some of these webactivists are in jail now bode poorly - and this Lisa Perelco continues to become a figure I am very glad does not exist in OTL
 
"BREAKING NEWS: Chris Brown shot by Chris Brown."

Paul-Johnson's a ticket I've always wanted to see, and I think the Fair and Equal Debate issue will definitely rub voters the wrong way about Obama... or consist of him being ganged up against. We'll see how that goes. Really enjoying this still.
 
Paul slapping down Roseanne should be easy-Virgil Goode or whoever the Constitution nominee is will agree with 95% of the things Paul says, and the only real challenge will come from Rocky Anderson (if he is running.)
 
Finally you're back!

Also there's a typo, it not the "Fair and Equal" debates but the "Free and Equal" debates.

I suspect Obama will not attend. It may be even footing on economic policies but when they get to the NDAA and the Drone Strikes, as well as the War on Terror as a whole.........Obama's screwed.
 
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