So no traction for a Paul/Rubio ticket then?
I'm sure those better versed in US politics can tell me why its a non-starter
I'm sure those better versed in US politics can tell me why its a non-starter
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Don't be so simplistic on this. Think about how the US government has conducted drone strikes on anti-war activists/ anti-government activists whom they label as "domestic terrorists". It is perfectly possible (although not very probable). And also, by "Neo-Conservative fanatic" I mean some crazy person (not affiliated with any malicious organization) who is upset that Ron Paul got nominated and decided to shoot him (same as most assassination plans).
There are countless cases where Ron Paul was cheated at the state conventions, where ballots are being sneaked in, rule changes by the RNC Rules Committee AFTER the convention voting took place and Ron Paul delegates won, the "unseating" of duly elected Ron Paul delegates in Maine, Ron Paul supporters being flat-out denied from their elected positions, the Lousiana GOP state convention chairman (a Ron Paul supporter) being attacked (literally) by an off-duty security guard, etc. Here's just a small summary of the most prominent events that took place:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg Do some research on that topic if you are interested.
If you look at the media right now, that never covers Ron Paul (besides in rare interviews, pro-Paul programs such as Reality Check, and more Liberal-leaning stations such as MSNBC, although said Liberal stations do little). Then, check out the six giant corporations that monopolize the mainstream media and their large web of connections with powerful CEOs, leaders, and corporations, you could find that they are linked to many of the big donors of the mainstream candidates' campaigns. This naturally shoos any chance of Ron Paul being on the spotlight in a positive light for the long term. Even that aside, Ron Paul is so off from the traditional Republican-styled Conservatism that the Conservative stations would not be leaning towards his favor, while the Liberal stations would go on endorsing Obama.
PS: About the assassination, if that occurs, Ron Paul supporters are going to blame the establishment for certain, even if it isn't linked with them, while the media will just go on about the assassin himself and pretend that the possibility that the plot is linked with the establishment is nil.
No, pre-existing OTL conspiracy theories are frowned upon by the AH.com administration. This excludes creating alternate in universe theories for ATLs.
Nothing he said promoted an existing conspiracy theory, and the post you quoted contained (from everything I read) nothing but factual information and real life instances.
While I think Drone Strikes are bad and illegal form of war there are no reports of activists being struck down. The most controversial and rather blatantly unconstitutional strike was Anwar Al-Awaki's son's death. However, with NDAA powers there might be if a major incident starts.
As for the convention abuses I have watched it on alternative media and I will have to agree with you on that, but then again I also believe in the media suppression of Paulbots too being a Paulbot myself. There are documented facts in alternative sites like RT, Youtube live footage and Ben Swann that point to Media, GOP and establishment suppression of Paulbots by establishment forces to shove Obamney down our throats.
However, if he actually won instead of threatening a brokered or disobedient convention as in OTL to spread his ideas when he realized he had no chance to win, most the establishment will do is form a far-right third party, have the GOP deflect to spite him.
Furthermore apprently this site frowns upon conspiracy theories, especially actual conspiracy theorists. Hell this is even extended to fictional TLs. I tried to write a TL about a Second Civil War and a revolution against the Illuminati in the ASB board(see my sig) and it got NO responses and is actually discouraging me from continuing on it.
As for the convention abuses I have watched it on alternative media and I will have to agree with you on that, but then again I also believe in the media suppression of Paulbots too being a Paulbot myself. There are documented facts in alternative sites like RT, Youtube live footage and Ben Swann that point to Media, GOP and establishment suppression of Paulbots by establishment forces to shove Obamney down our throats.
However, if he actually won instead of threatening a brokered or disobedient convention as in OTL to spread his ideas when he realized he had no chance to win, most the establishment will do is form a far-right third party, have the GOP deflect to spite him.
Furthermore apprently this site frowns upon conspiracy theories, especially actual conspiracy theorists. Hell this is even extended to fictional TLs. I tried to write a TL about a Second Civil War and a revolution against the Illuminati in the ASB board(see my sig) and it got NO responses and is actually discouraging me from continuing on it.
Really? So where did the the govt use drone strokes against anti-war anti-government activists?
It's true that there is/was less coverage of Paul than there should have been, but frankly, RT is RT and Ben Swann is a Sandy Hook truther.
I think it's more about the lack of ethics of Drone Strikes that are being investigated by the UN as of this post, especially when a kid got killed and children are major casualties of similar drone operations. This + NDAA + Kill list might lead to a big trouble sometime in the future...
The documented facts are stuff like what Paulbots reported seeing happen to the delegates of their delegates being physically beaten. And let's not forget the crisis in the RNC where the whole vote on destroying delegate powers was entirely scripted by teleprompter despite the NAYs being louder than the YAYs! And the vote on some of the delegate process were forced to circle around Tampa
So it seems that RNC and GOP suppression was very true here.
You may be right about RT, it being funded by the Kremlin and all(through to be frank, I use RT to view the darker sides of US life and politics that the MsM is hiding) but didn't Ben Swann actually attack the actual Sandy Hook truthers and the most outrageous conspiracies but only raised questions about the official story and the police accounts of the massacre? That is not called a truther, it's trying to investigate the facts more. He also dissected the LIBOR conspiracy claims that insane folks like David Wilcock, Dongchan Lee and Benjamin Fulford are spreading and offers very little hope for those still clinging to this conspiracy. The evidence simply suggests that this is a case of wishful thinking on the part of those looking for a grand conspiracy under every bed.
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I don't think it has, yet. I'm not sure if it has on U.S. soil, either. That's going a bit far even for modern big government. Even if it did occur here, the anti-"Conspiracy nut" people would prevent the perceived legitimacy of whistleblowers so there would never have to be a conspiracy. The denial of modern citizenry circumvents any need for plausible deniability on the part of any future government which does endeavor to kill its people and divert attention from it. If there has never been a conspiracy before, this is precisely why there never will be one. No government has to hide anything from us ever again.
There was a sixteen year old U.S. citizen droned on someone else's soil. It wasn't completely ignored by the media and has never been hidden by the current administration. It's not a conspiracy. But Americans seem to be relatively alright with that.
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Considering NDAA '11 powers and the Patriot Act, along with Obama's czar positions, their use of the CIA secret "kill" list for purposes of suppression is definitely possible. There is some chance (though slim, as I repeated) that there may be an organized assassination, but if an assassination does occur, it would more likely be from a single person. There has been some talk about a fugitive right-wing party for the hardcore Republicans on this thread, and it may be possible.
Yep, everything I said regarding the voting fraud and the "old guard" establishment's tricks actually happened, and there is no say that they may employ similar tactics one way or another.
Why would 'Czarist' Obama execute Paul when he's the best chance in a generation to cripple the Republicans and retake the House?
He won't, it's the Kill list as well as the wanton use of Drones in conjunction with the NDAA that we're worried about on how it might affect your average Joe in America.
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Refer to my previous posts. This is only used as a way to disprove the absolute striking down of a conspiracy by the GOP establishment to assassinate Paul. If the Obama administration could claim such authority, it would make no sense to absolutely deny the possibility of an assassination plot by the GOP establishment.
That's reasonable in light of drones being used for surveillance domestically, but I don't think outright assassinations are likely (especially as even in the case of the surveillance stuff, it's local police departments administering the whole thing).
Dammit, I always forgot he isn't 40. Thanks, fixed that.
So no traction for a Paul/Rubio ticket then?
I'm sure those better versed in US politics can tell me why its a non-starter
Rubio really did not want to do it. Considering Florida Democrats now have a nice little minority of "Rubio Birthers" who think he was born in Cuba, I can see why.
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That's not what he posted. He posted that statement as it was a a fact.
That Americans have been droned by this administration? That is a fact.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths
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