Black Plague..ON Middleast.

This might sting,but...my fellow althistorians,what if the black plague occured on the middle east,and didn't occured on europe,but spreads to the far east instead.....what effects will occur later? In my opinion,if that happen,moslem influence will be reduced real-significant on the world..and also the turks will not have a sufficient power like they have on our timeline.for the fareast,I think that the indian states will be on rubble,the chinese are considerably weaker,and for the japanese,I haven't think about yet.
 
This might sting,but...my fellow althistorians,what if the black plague occured on the middle east,and didn't occured on europe,but spreads to the far east instead.....what effects will occur later? In my opinion,if that happen,moslem influence will be reduced real-significant on the world..and also the turks will not have a sufficient power like they have on our timeline.for the fareast,I think that the indian states will be on rubble,the chinese are considerably weaker,and for the japanese,I haven't think about yet.

Actually, the Black Plague had already occured on China before Europe had the Black Plague.
 
This might sting,but...my fellow althistorians,what if the black plague occured on the middle east,and didn't occured on europe,but spreads to the far east instead.....what effects will occur later? In my opinion,if that happen,moslem influence will be reduced real-significant on the world..and also the turks will not have a sufficient power like they have on our timeline.for the fareast,I think that the indian states will be on rubble,the chinese are considerably weaker,and for the japanese,I haven't think about yet.

It originated in the Far East and caused a lot of economic and political turmoil in the Middle East already.
 
No,no! What I meant earlier was a scenario of "Europe never had the plague,mideast and far east gets it,but with mimicking (albeit more disastrous) effects of what europe had in our world".
 
No,no! What I meant earlier was a scenario of "Europe never had the plague,mideast and far east gets it,but with mimicking (albeit more disastrous) effects of what europe had in our world".

How are you keeping Europe from having the Black Death? Severing all connection with the infected areas is ASB material.
 
No,no! What I meant earlier was a scenario of "Europe never had the plague,mideast and far east gets it,but with mimicking (albeit more disastrous) effects of what europe had in our world".

It's fine to admit you made a mistake. Asking "what if the black plague occured on the middle east,and didn't occured on europe,but spreads to the far east instead" indicates ignorance given how the Black Plague did occur in the Middle East and Far East.
 
The Black Death arrived in the Middle East at the same time did it did Europe, and had the same effect - about a third of the total population died with a higher percentage in the cities. Ibn Khaldun reproted that the North African berber nomads did not seem to contract it, and I assume other nomadic peoples in the Middle East likewise avoided it because of less contact with rats and fleas. It's actually quite well documented although a lot of history books on the Black Death don't mention it at all. You can find several books that do.

It's impossible that the Middle East could have the epidemic, but that it wouldn't spread to Europe.

If for some ASB reason the Europeans are immune, there's a subtantial chance that much of North Africa and the Levant would be reconquered by a substantially richer and more populated Europe. Of course, they really need to be immune otherwise when the plague hits again, the armies just transmit it to Europe and any conquests evaporate.
 
The "Years of Rice and Salt" books does come from the scenario that the Black Plague arrives in Europe and mutates into a much deadlier plague and kills off everyone in Europe faster then it can spread to Middle East. It seems like in that book that the Middle East didn't experience the BP, but from a more reasonable point of view its possible they just experienced the regular BP.
 

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This might sting,but...my fellow althistorians,what if the black plague occured on the middle east,and didn't occured on europe,but spreads to the far east instead.....what effects will occur later? In my opinion,if that happen,moslem influence will be reduced real-significant on the world..and also the turks will not have a sufficient power like they have on our timeline.for the fareast,I think that the indian states will be on rubble,the chinese are considerably weaker,and for the japanese,I haven't think about yet.
It happened in the Middle East. Plague was common place. They just had greater immunities to it through the trans-Indian ocean trade and the silk road. Direct, non-diluted, plague did not occur until Asia had been forcefully opened to Europe. The death toll was still high for the Middle East, just not as high as in Europe. Major cities were noted for plagues, Marco Polo went over land because the port he was planning on leaving in was infected.
 
Have the black plague occur first in Europe then in the Middle East in that way you would have the Europeans have some immunity to Black plague.
 
Have the black plague occur first in Europe then in the Middle East in that way you would have the Europeans have some immunity to Black plague.

But the thing is the disease seems to be endemic to North India and Central Asia- even today you do get low level outbreaks of plague in India from time to time (the last big one was Surat in 1997 IIRC). The version that spread from China westwards, which became the Black Death seems to have been somewhat more virulent but, still, Asian societies outside the Middle East were not nearly as disrupted as the Middle East, which in turn was less disrupted than Europe, presumably because of some existing level of resistance in the population.

Another factor for the virulence of the disease in Europe was the fact that it was moving into the Little Ice Age and thus the relatively high population left over from the early mediaeval Warm Period was already teetering on the brink of unsustainability and the ensuing malnutrition and background disease left society even more weakened against the plague.

Having it occur in Europe first is difficult because Europe is outside the endemic homeland (so to speak) of the disease.

If you want a more plausible scenario for the OP go with another disease. There are plenty of unidentified mediaeval diseases kicking around- the English Sweating Sickness is one. It may have been a type of hantavirus but we're still not sure. Have that originate in Europe a few centuries earlier (IOTL it flared up in the 14th and 15th centuries), be reasonably virulent and then mutate into an even more destructive form possibly one which kills more slowly, allowing more people to be infected) as it moves into Asia.
 
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