Black Boots, White Snow - A collborative Nazi Victory TL

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Extract from the New York Times from June 5th, 1989:

Hundreds Killed By Government Troops in Brandenberg Plaza

BERLIN- The Brandenburg Plaza protests of 1989, culminating in the deaths of hundreds of civilian protestors referred to in most of the Western world as the Brandenburg Plaza massacre and in Germany as the June Fourth Incident (ostensibly to avoid confusion with two prior Brandenberg Plaza protests),are used to describe the recent series of demonstrations in and near Brandenberg Plaza in Berlin in the Third Reich Germany beginning on April 20th. Led mainly by students and intellectuals, the protests occurred in a year that has already seen the collapse of a number of fascist governments around the world.

The protests were sparked by the death of a pro-market, pro-democracy, and anti-corruption official, Hans-Christian Ströbele, whom protesters wanted to mourn. By the eve of Hans-Christian Ströbele's funeral, 1,000,000 people had gathered on the Brandenberg Plaza. The protests lacked a unified cause or leadership; participants included disillusioned National Socialist Party members and Trotskyists as well as free market reformers, who were generally against the government's authoritarianism and voiced calls for economic change and democratic reform within the structure of the government. The demonstrations centered on Brandenberg Plaza, in Berlin, but large-scale protests also occurred in cities throughout the Third Reich, including Hamburg, Bonn, Dresden, and Heidelberg, which remained peaceful throughout the protests.

The movement lasted seven weeks, from Hans-Christian Ströbele's death on April 20th, until tanks cleared Brandenberg Plaza on June 4th, 1989. In Berlin, the resulting military response to the protesters by the German government left many civilians dead or severely injured. The number of deaths is not known and many different estimates exist. Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times has estimated the death toll at 400-800 based on information he gathered from multiple medical sources.

Following the violence, the government conducted widespread arrests of protesters and their supporters, cracked down on other protests around Germany, banned the foreign press from the country and strictly controlled coverage of the events in the German press. Members of the Nazi Party who had publicly sympathized with the protesters were purged, with several high-ranking members placed under house arrest, such as General Secretary Joschka Fischer. There was widespread international condemnation of the German government's use of force against the protesters.
 

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Zveno (official newspaper) - 23.12.1960

Between the line:

Leading news

On the eye of Christmas our delagation with Prince Kiril on the lead make a final agreement with Third Reich about jewish question. All unduly element of the state should be transfered to Madagaskar in exchange of our support I.G.Farben agree to increase our chemical industry by investement of 3 new factory - in Kavala, Nish and Skopie. New 10000 workforce should be employed by I.G.Farben. (more in page 3-6)

Recently Siemens issue paln to invest in increasing output of uranium field near Lakatnik village, Sofia area. (more page 7)

New invention about murder of the former primeminister B. Filov - communist party was blaimed about this disgustingly murder. A. Dogan, L. Mestan, V. Rashidov and other members of the terrorist party was judging, found guilty and doomed with dead sentence. Curfew was imposed in Kurdzhali and Razgrad area. (more page 11-12).

Cemal Gursel Prime Ministers of the Republic of Turkey agree to open border and settle some unstable element of our society into anatolia. Our Minister of Foreign Affeirs Kimon Georgiev agree to commit new Turkish regime.(page 14 - world news)

Bomb explosion from yesterday in our prime port of Solun (Tessalonika). Greek liberation front accept responsibility for this crime. State Governor of Solun area Rusi H. Rusev, former general and wartime hero issue new curfew for greek speaking bulgarian citizen. Almost 213 dead people are recognized, identification continue. (page 32 dark chronicle)

On 24.12.2009 our Channel 1 should have first realtime broadcast - Lithurgy of Great Eve live from Cathedral st. Aleksandur Nevski.(program on page 31)



 
Extract from the New York Times from June 14th, 1967:

Kennedy Killed In Plane Crash, Nation Mourns

The day began as any other in Vice President Joseph P. Kennedy's career. The mourning opened with a roster of activities and events, and Kennedy was briefed on matters of state besides. It was on this day, June 14th, that Kennedy was to travel to Michigan to speak to Union workers on behalf of President Johnson. Accompanied by Secretary Evelyn Boudier and Secret Service agents William Greer and Roy Kellerman, Kennedy was being flown from Washington to Detroit by pilot Jack Harris.

It was shortly along this flight that something happened to the aircraft. Reports state that static filled messages were sent to flight controllers from the plane, telling of malfunction and imminent danger. It was shortly after this message, at roughly 11:22 EST that the plane crashed in a field outside of Wilmington, Ohio. It is believed that Evelyn Boudier and William Greer died on impact. Pilot Jack Harris, agent Roy Kellerman, and Vice President Kennedy had been rushed to the hospital in Dayton. Vice President Kennedy died a scant few minutes after arriving at the hospital. The others are considered in critical condition.

The current cause of the crash is unknown, although mechanical malfunction and weather issues are being investigated. The black box has been taken to be examined by government agents in Washington.

Kennedy is survived by his wife, Jackyln, his sons Patrick and Joseph Kennedy III, and daughters Mary and Margaret. The Kennedy family (among them, brothers John of the Saturday Evening Post, Robert who occupies the senate seat of New York, and brother Ted who is currently the senator of Massachussettes) have traveled to pay respects. A funeral service is suspected for Monday.

With Kennedy also goes the torch of the Democratic party. Over the past few months, it was assured that Kennedy would gain the nomination and polls showed he would likely have had the popular support to best his Republican contendor in 1968. However, with Kennedy's passing, the void is filled with uncertainty. A number of successors could come to light to claim the nomination (Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota a possible favorite candidate among the field, along with Stuart Symington of Missouri).
 
European Alliance Grows
New London Times
October 15, 1957
The European Alliance has announced the inclusion of five new countries, Ukraine, the New Russian Republic, the Baltic Federation, the Republic of Crimea, and the Northern Confederacy. These new members will belong to the Lower Council, until such a time as they gain the necessary economic, military, and population growth.
E.A. Chairman Paul Touvier, warmly welcomed the new members at the celebrations held in the E.A. Grand Assembly Hall in Nuremberg. In his speech he congratulated the leaders for their magnificent recovery from the Northern Plague that killed approximately 40% of the population of the former Soviet territories in 1954 and 1955.
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Unfortunately the Asiatic Soviet Union, along with the rebellious Dominions, and the United States, have still refused to acknowledge the status of the new members, despite numerous efforts to normalize relations. In his speech Ukrainian President Leonid Stupnytsky, pointedly reminded the E.A. members how the "so-called free nations of the World", denied any medical or humanitarian aid to his people during the Northern Plague.
 
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I am extremely suprised, that no one has yet mentioned the Ayranization exams all woman were required to go through at 13.
 
It seems to me that over 80% of the comments on this tread dont really grasp how exactly the world would be different in the evenet of a Nazi victory.
 

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It seems to me that over 80% of the comments on this tread dont really grasp how exactly the world would be different in the evenet of a Nazi victory.

Welcome to the board Mach, give us a few concrete examples, a fresh perspective is always welcome.
 
It seems to me that over 80% of the comments on this tread dont really grasp how exactly the world would be different in the evenet of a Nazi victory.

Good way to introduce yourself.
Most of us are just having some fun with this. Sure its not exactly accurate, but so what. If you want extremely thoughtful ideas, look for a timeline done by a single person or a group that is working closely together.
Anyways if you want you can join in and post things that really show how things will be different, or just don't read this.
Cheers. :p
 
Not covered yet: Spain, most of Asia, Africa, Balkans, very little has been posted about Russia especially after 1960, Fascist Britain is still relatively unknown, Belgium, Holland, Scandinavian countries, Poland, non-political Germany, most of South America, also the USA is still pretty blank other than some politicians and it being the major leader in space.
 
Good way to introduce yourself.
Most of us are just having some fun with this. Sure its not exactly accurate, but so what. If you want extremely thoughtful ideas, look for a timeline done by a single person or a group that is working closely together.
Anyways if you want you can join in and post things that really show how things will be different, or just don't read this.
Cheers. :p

Didnt think people would get offended by that statement...

Look at the effects of OTL ww2 ending. The world, and Europe in particular, was completly changed. And by what we know of the Nazi plans for the world, id say it is very doubtful things would work out as it did with the Alled victory, considering many posts have written this timeline with some very distinct similarities with the Cold War and its events.
 
Welcome to the board Mach, give us a few concrete examples, a fresh perspective is always welcome.

Perhaps I went ahead of myself there. Im sorry if I offended anyone.

But these posts bugg me:

1."German Cultural Revolution"

Started by Himmler? That insane bastard? He was even more far gone in the idea of Nazism than Hitler himself. He wouldnt stray from the Nazi doctrine in a million years if they had won. In fact, he had plans of making a SS country out of parts of Belgium and France. A Medieval themed Nazi "paradise". I dont really think he would get to be anything but the chief of the SS considering Gering, Gebbels and Speer were Hitlers more favourite choices for his successor.

2.France defiant

Impossible, Im afraid. With a lapdog Nazi government France would be the last place (aside from Italy) where such a thing would happen. The resistance to Nazi rule in France is exaggerated. Wermacht soldiers could walk the streets of Paris unarmed and nothing would happen to them. The only place such things would happen would be Poland or the Balkans (assuming the Nazis and their bootlicks didnt exterminate the "Untermenschen" there). Even Britain is inplausible because of Oswald Mosley and ppl like our beloved Johannes Becker.

3.Osiris program

Basically it is questionable if the Commonwealth could survive the loss of Britain. India and Australia werent really fond of the British rulling them. And the Nazis had a nuke program. As did the US. If the US of A would concentrate its millitary on defeating Japan, the nuke coming from the US first is very plausible. Even if the Nazis conquered all the way to the Ural, they could also developed the Nuke for destroying the last parts of Soviet ressistance.

4.EIRE REUNITED

If the Nazis had conquered Britain, Northern Ireland would have just been "patched" back to the Rep. of Ireland eithar by revolt or millitary occupation by the Rep. of Ireland (occupation is a very bad word for such a turn of events, I know). Then later it would have probably seen the fate of most European countries: falling into direct or indirect contol by the Reich.

5.Italo-German split

Italy was never a equal partner of Germany. In the end of the war Germany would have probably control most of Italy by several means, so deviation from the Nazi/Fachist doctrine would be bluntly impossible.
 
5.Italo-German split

Italy was never a equal partner of Germany. In the end of the war Germany would have probably control most of Italy by several means, so deviation from the Nazi/Fachist doctrine would be bluntly impossible.

I disagree here. Italy was an equal partner with Germany early in the war and when Mussolini had power (pre-Social Republic). It was via a number of political upsets in Italy, overthrow of Mussolini, restoration of Mussolini, etc that Italy ended up becoming little more than a German puppet. It is not impossible in a world where Italy keeps its previous position, which is what happened here.
 
I disagree here. Italy was an equal partner with Germany early in the war and when Mussolini had power (pre-Social Republic). It was via a number of political upsets in Italy, overthrow of Mussolini, restoration of Mussolini, etc that Italy ended up becoming little more than a German puppet. It is not impossible in a world where Italy keeps its previous position, which is what happened here.

It depends on what you consider equal. Italy didnt have a lot of Industry, its Millitary was nowere near of that of the Reich and it was only by Hitlers annoying love for Mussolini that they were an equal partner at all. The way I see it, Germany won in spite of their Italian allies. Need I remind you that it took them months to conquer a country whose army was consisted of archers and cavalry? And that they lost against Greece, who was vastly outgunned, outnumbered and had tech from pre-WW1 era? And most of their casualties against the French were frostbite victims?

I believe that sooner or later Germany would finalize its hold over Italy, cause nobody in Germany (except Hitler) was perticulary fond of the "Fat Dego Pig" (attributed to Kesslering, Keitel, Himmler...). It would definately keep its eye on everything that happens in Italy.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer."
 
It depends on what you consider equal. Italy didnt have a lot of Industry, its Millitary was nowere near of that of the Reich and it was only by Hitlers annoying love for Mussolini that they were an equal partner at all. The way I see it, Germany won in spite of their Italian allies. Need I remind you that it took them months to conquer a country whose army was consisted of archers and cavalry? And that they lost against Greece, who was vastly outgunned, outnumbered and had tech from pre-WW1 era? And most of their casualties against the French were frostbite victims?

I believe that sooner or later Germany would finalize its hold over Italy, cause nobody in Germany (except Hitler) was perticulary fond of the "Fat Dego Pig" (attributed to Kesslering, Keitel, Himmler...). It would definately keep its eye on everything that happens in Italy.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer."

Similar incapability could be claimed of China in relation to the Soviets. But, it managed to indeed split from the Soviets and strengthened its power in the decades following. And Germany would not have a hold over Italy; simply a power of (possible) superiority competitively. And a split of ideology is not out of bounds regardless.
 
Extract from the New York Times from September 4th, 1974:

President Shot! Suspect Apprehended

The morning silence was shattered today as bullets cracked the air. At roughly 9 AM today, as President Jackson's motorcade moved through San Antonio, the President was struck by a would-be assassin's bullet which hit him in the chest. Sources report that another bullet, intended for the President's head, missed by a matter of inches. President Jackson was quickly rushed to the South Texas Medical Center. His condition is currently officially unknown but an anonymous source lists him as likely to recover after a quick surgery. Governor Henry Grover has also been injured with a shot to the stomach and head. His condition is listed as critical and it is uncertain if he will live.

A suspect has been apprehended. Although his name remains unknown to the press, the suspect was arrested a mile from the scene roughly an hour after the attempt.

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(Late Edition Excerpt)

The prime suspect in the would-be assassination of President Jackson has now been reported as one Charles Voyde Harrelson. Harrelson, age 36, had been previously tried for the murder of Sam Degelia Jr.
 
Perhaps I went ahead of myself there. Im sorry if I offended anyone.

But these posts bugg me:

1."German Cultural Revolution"

Started by Himmler? That insane bastard? He was even more far gone in the idea of Nazism than Hitler himself. He wouldnt stray from the Nazi doctrine in a million years if they had won. In fact, he had plans of making a SS country out of parts of Belgium and France. A Medieval themed Nazi "paradise". I dont really think he would get to be anything but the chief of the SS considering Gering, Gebbels and Speer were Hitlers more favourite choices for his successor.
You've actually just stated the reasons why a German "Cultural Revolution" would be started under Himmler. The idea of a Cultural Revolution is to "return to the roots" of the Party. As head of the SS and the NSDP Himmler would be in a unique position to impose his more extremist views on the leadership.
 
Similar incapability could be claimed of China in relation to the Soviets. But, it managed to indeed split from the Soviets and strengthened its power in the decades following. And Germany would not have a hold over Italy; simply a power of (possible) superiority competitively. And a split of ideology is not out of bounds regardless.

Im not convinced. Italy has a different set of cards than China had. Id seriousely doubt Spain or Italy (close "allies", or better yet puppets) would chosse to bite on the hand that feeds them. I think sooner or later some Nazi would turn up the question of South Tyrol or the Austria Litorale. And if all else fails for the Germans, they can always send in the troops.
 
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