Black Boots, White Snow - A collborative Nazi Victory TL

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yeah i to have an hardtime believing that a maned mission to mars would be possible for anyone by that date, you might make it either into a probe or delay the misson to mars by 20 years or so, otherwise i doudt it is feasable for anyone.
 

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To be fair, re-reading it, he didn't say it was manned. We know Germany got there before 1989, which is buyable.
 
To be fair, re-reading it, he didn't say it was manned. We know Germany got there before 1989, which is buyable.

well he didn't perse say that but the way he wrote it for me implyse that it would be a manned mission.

Btw: being not an native english speaker i might be wrong here.
 
The Volkstadt (from German Volk- People/Aryan people; Stadt-Town) is a fortified or semi-fortified community of Germanic settlers planted in The Ostland (Vol VIII, pp 320-331). They are the predominant settlement type in the Reichskommisariats of Ostland (with the exception of Estonia and Latvia where they are largely absent), Ukraine and Moscow. In addition to this, they are, or have been, present in the Crimean Land, in the former Polish and Czech territories of the Reich, and in the Ural Military District. They are often colloquially known as Stetls.

OOC: Big oops. City means "Stadt" in German, "Stetl" actually is Yiddish!

In the very recommendable book by Ralph Giordano about Hitler's plans after the "endsieg", he mentions that the nazis had planned to create several "Grenzmarken" (or Siedlungsmarken?) where the German population was supposed to make up half of the people - these were bigger lands, like East Galicia, the Baltic states, Crimea and Ingermanland / Leningrad -, and "Siedlungsschwerpunkte" where the German population was supposed to make up 20-25% of the people. Of course, in your TL the nazis might decide to implement other plans - after all, in OTL they changed their plans repeatedly.
 

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OOC: Big oops. City means "Stadt" in German, "Stetl" actually is Yiddish!

In the very recommendable book by Ralph Giordano about Hitler's plans after the "endsieg", he mentions that the nazis had planned to create several "Grenzmarken" (or Siedlungsmarken?) where the German population was supposed to make up half of the people - these were bigger lands, like East Galicia, the Baltic states, Crimea and Ingermanland / Leningrad -, and "Siedlungsschwerpunkte" where the German population was supposed to make up 20-25% of the people. Of course, in your TL the nazis might decide to implement other plans - after all, in OTL they changed their plans repeatedly.

The Stetl thing is deliberate, glad you noticed. It is a linguistic artifact, the local population see one group of Germanic speaking outsiders living in autonomous segregated communities they call "stetls". Then they....disappear.

All of a sudden another group of Germanic speakers appears, living in segregated communities, and they even recognise the word "stetl", being pretty close to German stadt + diminutive. It's a linguistic gift from the disappeared Jews to the new inhabitants, passed via the slavs.

In terms of population, the ratio is now about 75/25 to the Germans... hunger, deportation, Germanisation, and massively differential reproductive success over 50 years makes a big difference.
 
ACHTUNG! ACHTUNG!

A Special Announcement By the ReichsGovernor of the Province of Britain, Greater German Reich

dated: 25 June 1985


Standartenfuhrer Johannes Becker Appointed Liason Between SS in Britannien and Deutschland



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Governor Matthias Schwanenwerder: "There are few better examples of the growing closeness of all true Germans than the fine example of Johannes Becker, who left behind his superstitious upbringing and has embraced his destiny as a servant of the Fatherland. The Reich Government is confident that this outstanding young officer will hasten the process of unity between Aryans in the Province of Britain and the rest of the Reich.

People of England, gaze upon this man! He represents the best of your future!"
 
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A terrorist pamphlet posted throughout Washington on July 5th, 1971, the day the Greater German Embassy in Washington was completely destroyed by a truck bomb.

FREE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD
TODAY THE BRITISH LIBERATION ARMY STRUCK A BLOW AGAINST THE ENEMY OF ALL MORAL AND FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE.
THE BLACK HAND THAT REACHED INTO THE VERY HEART OF DEMOCRACY WAS DESTROYED BY THE VERY FIRES OF HELL THAT CREATED IT.
THE HOUSE OF LIES THAT TRIED TO SHOUT DOWN THE TRUTH WE CAN SEE ALL AROUND US, IS GONE.
2 BRAVE SOULS GAVE THEIR LIVES TO DESTROY THE ENEMY. THEY CALL TO YOU NOW
"RISE UP. DEFEND YOUR FELLOW MAN. RISE UP AND SAVE THE SOUL OF HUMANITY."
THE BRITISH LIBERATION ARMY NEEDS YOU.
 
Taken from: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=186

February 15, 1933
FDR assassinated in Miami

On this day in 1933, a deranged, unemployed brick layer named Giuseppe Zangara shouts “Too many people are starving!” and fires a gun at America’s president-elect, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt had just delivered a speech in Miami’s Bayfront Park from the back seat of his open touring car when Zangara opened fire with six rounds. Five people were hit. The president was mortally wounded with a shot through the neck, dying shortly after. Aside from this the mayor of Chicago, Anton Cermak, who was also in attendance, received an arm wound in the attack, but survived.
Several men tackled the assailant and beat him to death before the authorities were able to intervene.

Zangara’s extreme action reflected the anger and frustration felt among many working Americans during the Great Depression. At the time of the shooting, Roosevelt was still only the president-elect and had yet to be sworn in. Reports of Roosevelt’s assassination filled the following day’s newspapers and did much to make Roosevelt a martyr, gaining the now president-elect Garner much needed support and sympathy in his new position.
Unsubstantiated reports later claimed that Zangara’s real target had been Cermak and hinted at Zangara’s connection to organized crime in Chicago. However his untimely death meant that his true motives remain shrouded in mystery.
 
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A terrorist pamphlet posted throughout Washington on July 5th, 1971, the day the Greater German Embassy in Washington was completely destroyed by a truck bomb.

FREE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD
TODAY THE BRITISH LIBERATION ARMY STRUCK A BLOW AGAINST THE ENEMY OF ALL MORAL AND FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE.
THE BLACK HAND THAT REACHED INTO THE VERY HEART OF DEMOCRACY WAS DESTROYED BY THE VERY FIRES OF HELL THAT CREATED IT.
THE HOUSE OF LIES THAT TRIED TO SHOUT DOWN THE TRUTH WE CAN SEE ALL AROUND US, IS GONE.
2 BRAVE SOULS GAVE THEIR LIVES TO DESTROY THE ENEMY. THEY CALL TO YOU NOW
"RISE UP. DEFEND YOUR FELLOW MAN. RISE UP AND SAVE THE SOUL OF HUMANITY."
THE BRITISH LIBERATION ARMY NEEDS YOU.

Love it. Where do I sign up?
 
SS Leadership Academy
Frundsberg, Greater German Reich

The 1978 Winner of the Himmler Preis for Philosophy is awarded to:

Cadet Johannes Becker

For His Thesis

"The Paradoxes of 'Biblical Christianity' and
the Fall of the British Empire"

(Excerpts follow)

Part 1:

The British Empire of the past was built by the sort of men who have built the glorious German Empire of today: men of racial self-confidence who were willing to push aside sentimentality and ruthlessly pursue the interests of their land and race ...


Part 2:

It was in the late 18th century that a weak and sentimental version of 'Biblical Christianity' began to weaken the British Empire, with agitation against slavery growing among those who were, consciously or unconsciously, traitors to their race and homeland. The idea of human equality between superior and inferior races was a malign outgrowth of certain unfortunate expressions one finds in the Bible ...

... The total failure of the British authorities to deal appropriately with racial inferiors such as Ghandi gave these vermin the encouragement they needed to undermine the white race's necessary control over the Indian subcontinent ...

...The internal rot of Britain could be seen when a group of cowards passed a resolution at Oxford in the 1930s, declining to fight for King and Country ...

...Needless to say, a nation such as Germany, led with the necessary hardness by its natural rulers, would know how to appropriately handle racial subhumans such as Ghandi and traitors in the university ...

Part 3:

While Christian humanism can be seen as negative for the British Empire, in that it allowed for inferiors to weaken it, it can also been seen, paradoxically, as the movement of Providence, for the weakness of Britain could never stand against the irresistible force of Germany. While the Oxford pacifist students were among the first to be "corrected" upon Britain's liberation, one must in a sense recognize the vital part they played in the necessary victory of our Fatherland against all who would resist him.

The pacifist students had as much value as compost ... but even compost has its purpose. As it decays, it allows for the flowering of new organisms. The Greater German Reich has been built on the wreckage of a hollowed-out, hesitant, effeminate, humanistic British Empire. And all of us of the right racial heritage, wherever our place of birth, are citizens and soldiers of the Reich! I thank Providence for freeing me and others like me from the decadence of my background!

Part 4:

And now we come to the central paradox, that of "Biblical Christianity." While there is much to properly despise in the Bible, particularly the arrogant idiocy of the Jews calling themselves "God's chosen people" ("chosen," perhaps, as chaff is chosen for the furnace!). And of course the weakness exhibited so often by the so-called Savior of the World is ridiculous. We have seen the real Savior of the really existing world, and he was a man of ruthless drive and ambition, who recognized the necessity of one race dominating (or eliminating) others, and who recognized that divine Providence has chosen Deutschland as its instrument in the world ...

...And yet there are helpful elements within the Bible, glimmers perhaps of the reality of the cosmos. The ruthless will to power shown in the accounts of the Israelites destroying their neighbors; of their obsession with ritual and racial purity; and the demand of the Christ to foresake all other allegiances ... even to hate one's own parents ... yes, paradoxically, these elements of "Bibilical Christianity" can be helpful to the Reich ...
 
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I'm not saying this is impossible but I might need a little convincing...

How much more tech was needed for Mars than the Moon? Could the US have afforded it if it were possible?

yeah i to have an hardtime believing that a maned mission to mars would be possible for anyone by that date, you might make it either into a probe or delay the misson to mars by 20 years or so, otherwise i doudt it is feasable for anyone.


Yes, the tech existed to get to Mars with a manned mission, and had an effort been put into continuing the Apollo program (in lieu of the shuttle program), and following it up with a Mars program of either conventional rocketry or atomic rocketry, we could have gotten to Mars within the 70's or 80's rather than talking about "the next 50 years" as we are now. Hell, there's a good chance at Lunar colonies and exploration of the outer solar system by the millenia had we not derailed the space program with the shuttle. There was never any point past Apollo where we couldn't do it; we just never put the effort into it and invested in the shuttle instead, which was an overexpensive, inefficient dead end. And hell, the space program was sped up in progress here to boot.

IE:http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/2008/09/von-brauns-1982-nasa-manned-ma.html
 
From the Dictionary of Political Revolutions (Harvard University Press, 4th Edition, 1991):

The German Cultural Revolution was a period of widespread social and political upheaval within Third Reich Germany between 1963 and 1973, resulting in nation-wide chaos and economic disarray.

It was launched by Heinrich Himmler, the chairman of the National Socialist Party of Germany, on May 23, 1963, who alleged that "liberal bourgeois" elements were permeating the party and society at large, and wanted to restore capitalism. He insisted that these elements be removed through post-revolutionary class struggle by mobilizing the thoughts and actions of Germany’s youth, who formed Brownshirts groups around the country. The movement subsequently spread into the military, urban workers, and the party leadership itself. Although Himmler himself officially declared the Cultural Revolution to have ended in 1966, today it is widely believed that the power struggles and political instability between 1966 and the arrest of the Gang of Four as well as the death of Heinrich Himmler in 1973 were also part of the Cultural Revolution.

After Himmler's death, the forces within the National Socialist Party of Germany that were antagonistic to the Cultural Revolution gained prominence. The political, economic, and educational reforms associated with the Cultural Revolution were terminated. The Cultural Revolution has been treated officially as a negative phenomenon ever since. The people involved in instituting the policies of the Cultural Revolution were persecuted. In its official historical judgement of the Cultural Revolution in 1978, the Party assigned chief responsibility to Heinrich Himmler, but also laid significant blame on Reichsminister Otto Strasser and Michael Kühnen for causing its worst excesses
 
Aux Barricades!
Aux Barricades!
Aux Barricades!

The first broadcast of Maquis Free France Radio (5 minutes previously the Vichy Broadcasting Center for the Greater Reich) , December 2, 1975.

 

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Any articles on the great Hall of the People designed by Albert Speer?

Write one mate, we know that Speer becomes Fuhrer, "The Great Architect", if you're feeling masonic...:)
 

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From "Les bottes noires et la niege blanche: Memoire du printemps de Paris." By Serge Gainsbourg (published 1981, Montreal)



You do not know, you can not know, what it was to live in the shadow of the Reich, in the jolliest barrack of the Nazi concentration camp.

Ahhh, there was Champagne, parties, Picasso made great art, Jazz? But of course! There was dancing, great novels and philosophy, even Sartre was published sporadically.... and if one wanted a black girl? Well, the law was the law, but a man's tastes were his own.

The bourgeoisie pretended it was free, and the Vichoisie pretended not to notice... as long as nobody mentioned politics, and the lower orders knew their place.

It disgusted me. I rejected this hysterical hedonism... I read nothing but Marx, Engels, Trotsky and Gluckstein, drank nothing, I rejected even tobacco in a millieu awash with cocaine... between 1968 to 1975 I had sexual relations on nine occasions.


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When we took the transmission station at the Sorbonne, all our work with Solidarité paid off... it worked like clockwork... from Nancy to Brest and down to Marseilles, the railway workers blocked the lot, and the mines, the refineries, the steel works, all of them came out within 24 hours. And the power stations? They continued working as normal, but declared that they would only obey orders from the people of France, as represented of course, by La Commité pour la solidarité des ouvriers de la France.

In La Place de la race Française, a crowd of Catholic and Trotskyist workers had gathered, we sang the Marseillaise and L'Internationale. I remember screaming "Vive la France!" and turning and smiling at a Father L_______, he grinned and cried "Vivent les Ouvriers!". We embraced, crying with joy.

France was free for the first time in 35 years, and we were ready to defend it.

Then that fool Mitterand decided he was on our side, and we were lost.

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New York Times
November 8th, 1972
Jackson wins presidency in landslide over Romney
President-elect promises hard-line against fascism abroad

Henry M. Jackson (D-WA), the colorful 'Senator from Boeing' won last night's presidential election in a landslide over sitting Vice President George W. Romney (R-MI), the former auto executive from Michigan and treasury secretary under the Knowland administration.

Jackson has promised a hard line against fascism abroad, and has chastised the isolationist sentiments of incumbent President William Knowland and his Vice President with regard to conflicts erupting in Asia that he sees as a guise for the spread of fascism. "Let me make this clear," Jackson spoke in his victory speech before an audience in Spokane last night, "our country won't be a hawk, or a dove under a Jackson administration, but I can assure you, it won't be a pigeon torn asunder by the German eagle."

Jackson served previously under President Stevenson as an undersecretary of Defense from 1953 until 1961.
 
Documentary: Quest For The Atom: Project Osiris
Released March, 1973

General Lee Black, Retired, Australian Commonwealth Army: You hear so much about the space race. Look the Nazis made it into space. Oh look the USA circled the world. See this shiny new shuttle, mines bigger than yours.
We were working our asses off to ensure we'd win the next war, and they were wasting their time sending firecrackers into the sky.
The Nazi's are idiots when it came to physics. If you want to send a rocket into the sky, go talk to them. If you want to do anything else, well.
The Americans they had the know how, but they didn't care. They had their heads stuck so far up their asses in those years I'm surprised they didn't suffocate.
It was up to us, the Commonwealth, to make the atomic bomb. With all of the scientists and technicians fleeing Europe and Britain we could pick the best. We grabbed them off planes, and ships, rafts, trains in North and Central Africa, we even got a few from the Gestapo prisons. Those ones cost us a lot of good soldiers. But we got them.
A lot of them asked to be sent to America, but we used every legal thing we could to get them working for us. People say we did things illegally, that we kidnapped some scientists, and imprisoned them. Lies. We begged, bribed, and cajoled them, using all the tricks in the book to get them to work for us. The ones that absolutely would not, we let go. When you are trying to make the worlds biggest bomb you don't want someone upset with you.
They decided that here in Australia would be a good place for them. Right on the North-East coast of the Northern Territory. Nothing around for miles, all the water we could use from the ocean and the Artesian Basin, and easy to resupply from the sea. And as far away from those Nazi Bastards as we could get.
For 12 years we worked in that desert. The money for Project Osiris would have seen every refugee settled down with enough money for 10 years. And it all went to us.
But by God we did it. January 14th, 1956 on a day that was hotter than Hell, we did it.
We created a new sun, and then our leaders did nothing.
 
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