Bin Ladin killed earlier, does Sept 11 happen

"if bin Laden is killed before September 11, 2011 ITTL, is the plan still attempted on September 11, 2001 according to the IOTL details of said plan?"

if I was planning the planes operation, and the self-styled leader of our movement was assassinated - I'd bring it forward to as soon as practicable

do it in the gap between Nov 2000 - Jan 2001 - maximum chaos!
 
Well, if Bin Laden was killed a couple weeks before 9/11 the hijackers probably wouldn't even know about it and they'd still carry out the attack. Then Bin Laden would be much more of a footnote, and Ayman al-Zawahiri is the one to earn the wrath of the US.

So the changes would be pretty subtle. Maybe there's less suspicion towards the Saudis and more towards the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood, but other than that things proceed pretty similarly
 
Are you trying to imply a conspiracy here?

Oh have some respect for the both of us and allow for an option other than mainstream consensus, skepticism and criticism are human virtues.

What's to say that OBL isn't just a figurehead? What's to stop intelligence agencies from inflating their enemy's strength to suit their own or their allies' purposes like many instances in history? What responsible person takes everything the government displays at face value?

Do I see a more credible alternative? Not on the major points, as for responsibility OBL's tape's timing was the most likely explanation.

But what's to say OBL has as much influence as before if any? I doubt we'd ever know considering the security of the matter, but good deduction would assume that if they knew so much about the inner workings of AQ then why did it take them so long to start bashing on the organization? So yes I doubt the value of killing OBL.

How could AQ, a supposedly massive international organization communication, fund and transport without knowledge of NATO & allies? A person may assume that if 3/4 of the world wanted an organization dead, it would be found based on sheer attrition. So yes I doubt the official stated scope of the organization.

Do I think it's an inside job? No, that's stupid, treasonous, and reeks of "I know better, now pay attention to me". If it was they could've timed it better, targeting targets of less economic damage but more emotional importance, and various other details. Also minor technical details such as structural tumbling on the South side which is incredibly hard to fake reinforcing the legitimacy of an actual attack vs planned demolition.

Do I think players are using the event to their own intents? Of course that's human nature, but the current manipulation of the event is making things worse off (EX: shit like Iraq).
 
I think he meant that NOT as in it was an inside job, but that it was another terrorist group possibly since bin Laden was never connected to the attack. That is of course wrong, because bin Laden took responsibility for the attack, but they did not know that, and I do not believe anywhere did they support Trutherism.

Please put that kick under review.

you are correct. It was not an inside job.
 
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What's to say that OBL isn't just a figurehead? What's to stop intelligence agencies from inflating their enemy's strength to suit their own or their allies' purposes like many instances in history? What responsible person takes everything the government displays at face value?

But someone has to oversee the attack plan and preparations, to make sure taht teh secrecy is maintained, etc... If your point is that it was not bin Laden but rather al-Zawahiri or some other person within the al Qaeda organization who did the organizational work, and bin Laden simply took credit for that - not terribly likely but possible. Bin Laden seems to be quite an attention whore. It is hardly possible that he had no part in organizing the attacks, but the part may well be smaller than he claimed.

How could AQ, a supposedly massive international organization communication, fund and transport without knowledge of NATO & allies? A person may assume that if 3/4 of the world wanted an organization dead, it would be found based on sheer attrition. So yes I doubt the official stated scope of the organization.

Pure arrogance IMO. An "it can't happen here" mentality. History is full of examples when people whose job was to know things in advance failed to do so, with catastrophic results.
Basically, CIA + AQ informers = Stalin + Richard Sorge.

Do I think it's an inside job? No, that's stupid, treasonous, and reeks of "I know better, now pay attention to me". If it was they could've timed it better, targeting targets of less economic damage but more emotional importance, and various other details. Also minor technical details such as structural tumbling on the South side which is incredibly hard to fake reinforcing the legitimacy of an actual attack vs planned demolition.

Some people are arguing that the collapse of WTC 9 (hours later, after full evacuation, etc.) may be indeed planned demolition - an opportunistic decision to perform an insurance fraud because the initial damage would be likely too costly to repair. Although this would require charges being pre-placed in the building structure or someone (many someones, and highrise building demolition experts are not that numerous) working undetected in the post-attack chaos and keeping their mouths shut for a decade afterwards. Especially teh latter is VERY unlikely :)
 
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