Bill Clinton does not forget Pakistan...

In the book Charlie Wilsons war from 2003. The late author stresses that one of the reasons for 911 was in fact that Bill Clinton resumed Carter's politics before 1979, by this I mean human-rights campaign against Pakistan and trade-sanctions.
Which angered the islamists according to CWW very much that they attacked first the CIA and later other US intrests around the world!

When I said what if Clinton hadn't sold out Afghanistan/Pakistan? No 911???

/Fred
 
In the book Charlie Wilsons war from 2003. The late author stresses that one of the reasons for 911 was in fact that Bill Clinton resumed Carter's politics before 1979, by this I mean human-rights campaign against Pakistan and trade-sanctions.
Which angered the islamists according to CWW very much that they attacked first the CIA and later other US intrests around the world!

When I said what if Clinton hadn't sold out Afghanistan/Pakistan? No 911???

/Fred

CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR is not exactly an unbiased source. The roots of 9/11 actually go back to the first Gulf War and beyond. Osama bin Laden was pissed off about American soldiers being stationed in Saudi Arabia...his homeland and the home of Islam's holiest sites...during Gulf War I and after. He became convinced that the U.S. intended to establish a permanent presence there and eventually take over. If there is a single moment where the trail to 9/11 started, that was probably it. And this was during George H. W. Bush's administration, not Bill Clinton's.

Given that bin Laden was based in Afghanistan, not Pakistan, during the years leading up to 9/11, it is hard to see how promoting human rights in Pakistan had any impact on the situation.

It should also be pointed out that Bill Clinton came closesr to actually killing bin Laden than anyone else has before or since. Clinton dropped cruise missiles on bin Laden's Afghan Al Queda training camp mere minutes after bin Laden left. If U.S. intel had been just a little faster, 9/11 might not have happened (assuming, of course, that bin Laden's demise could have prevented it).
 
CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR is not exactly an unbiased source. The roots of 9/11 actually go back to the first Gulf War and beyond. Osama bin Laden was pissed off about American soldiers being stationed in Saudi Arabia...his homeland and the home of Islam's holiest sites...during Gulf War I and after. He became convinced that the U.S. intended to establish a permanent presence there and eventually take over. If there is a single moment where the trail to 9/11 started, that was probably it. And this was during George H. W. Bush's administration, not Bill Clinton's.

Given that bin Laden was based in Afghanistan, not Pakistan, during the years leading up to 9/11, it is hard to see how promoting human rights in Pakistan had any impact on the situation.

It should also be pointed out that Bill Clinton came closesr to actually killing bin Laden than anyone else has before or since. Clinton dropped cruise missiles on bin Laden's Afghan Al Queda training camp mere minutes after bin Laden left. If U.S. intel had been just a little faster, 9/11 might not have happened (assuming, of course, that bin Laden's demise could have prevented it).

Charlie Wilson even admitted that part of the problem was that the U.S. funded the afghans and enabled them to fight back against the russians, then neglected to help them rebuild the infrastructure in afghanistan despite the fact that it cost significantly less.
 
Charlie Wilson even admitted that part of the problem was that the U.S. funded the afghans and enabled them to fight back against the russians, then neglected to help them rebuild the infrastructure in afghanistan despite the fact that it cost significantly less.

Exactly my point Bill Clinton left the Afghans to die, because he didn't like Pakistan. But what if he hadn't??
 
It should also be pointed out that Bill Clinton came closesr to actually killing bin Laden than anyone else has before or since. Clinton dropped cruise missiles on bin Laden's Afghan Al Queda training camp mere minutes after bin Laden left. If U.S. intel had been just a little faster, 9/11 might not have happened (assuming, of course, that bin Laden's demise could have prevented it).

It should also be pointed out, that Bill Clinton destroyed a lot more WMDs than George W. Bush ever managed to find in Iraq.

In fact some claim that the so called "missing" WMDs, GWB used as an explanation for attacking Iraq, were the ones that were destroyed during the US air raids on Iraq in the late 90s. At that point there were no UN inspectors in the country and until inspections restarted several years passed, so that noone actually knows what was in all those warehouses hit during the US air raids.
 
CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR is not exactly an unbiased source. The roots of 9/11 actually go back to the first Gulf War and beyond. Osama bin Laden was pissed off about American soldiers being stationed in Saudi Arabia...his homeland and the home of Islam's holiest sites...during Gulf War I and after. He became convinced that the U.S. intended to establish a permanent presence there and eventually take over. If there is a single moment where the trail to 9/11 started, that was probably it. And this was during George H. W. Bush's administration, not Bill Clinton's.

In other words, even OBL is right once in a while, eh?

Given that bin Laden was based in Afghanistan, not Pakistan, during the years leading up to 9/11, it is hard to see how promoting human rights in Pakistan had any impact on the situation.

Taliban were funded and supported by Pakistan. Different situation in Pakistan could easily lead to less support and less Taliban successes
 
In other words, even OBL is right once in a while, eh?

Well, let's say it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think GHW Bush intended that a permanent presence be placed there. But the hope that Saddam would be overthrown by his own people in the aftermath of Gulf War I didn't pan out. Saddam, on the other hand, was quite good at projecting an image of power and potential threat which was far out of proportion to what he actually represented. So the Saudis wanted us to stay there to protect them. OBL took this as "the Americans are imperialists who are here to stay unless we eject them forcibly," and started his terror campaign in the mid-1990s. This, in turn, lead to 9/11, which lead to direct U.S. intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere.
 
Remember the attack on Langley in 1992? Where a lone Pakistan student shoot two officers clerks in the check-in line outside CIA HQ?

This guy was directly linked to the Pakistani Intelligens ISI!
 
Well, let's say it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think GHW Bush intended that a permanent presence be placed there. But the hope that Saddam would be overthrown by his own people in the aftermath of Gulf War I didn't pan out. Saddam, on the other hand, was quite good at projecting an image of power and potential threat which was far out of proportion to what he actually represented. So the Saudis wanted us to stay there to protect them. OBL took this as "the Americans are imperialists who are here to stay unless we eject them forcibly," and started his terror campaign in the mid-1990s. This, in turn, lead to 9/11, which lead to direct U.S. intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere.

And, Clinton could have reduced/ended the U.S. presence in the Gulf region.
 
Exactly my point Bill Clinton left the Afghans to die, because he didn't like Pakistan. But what if he hadn't??

as the poster below points out the war between the USSR and Afghanistan was over before Clinton ever took office, heck it ended shortly after Bush 1 took office so Clinton isn't at all to be blamed
 
as the poster below points out the war between the USSR and Afghanistan was over before Clinton ever took office, heck it ended shortly after Bush 1 took office so Clinton isn't at all to be blamed
Clinton inserted sanction again Pakistan in 1993. Hence angering Pakistanis...
 
Remember the attack on Langley in 1992? Where a lone Pakistan student shoot two officers clerks in the check-in line outside CIA HQ?

This guy was directly linked to the Pakistani Intelligens ISI!

I cannot find any info or news report on any 1992 CIA HQ shooting. There was a shooting, causing death of 2 CIA employers in 1993. The shooter was a Pakistani working in a courier company, later executed by US. Furthermore, I cannot find any info or news report on this alleged connections between the shooter and the ISI, apart from the fact that FBI agents worked together with ISI agents in the arrest of the shooter.

As for the Clinton and 9/11, better relationships with Pakistan and ISI MAY have lead to better intel sharing and less support to Islamist fundamental groups, including Taliban, but "cultivation" of Islamist groups are a oft-used techniques by the ISI to counter India and other regional powers. ISI has practiced this for many years before 9/11, esp. in Kashmir. Improved relations with US doesn't automatically translated into cessation of Pakistani support for these groups, because they are an important part of Pakistani security apparatus.

Furthermore, decreased or removal of Pakistani to Taliban doesn't automatically translated into no 9/11 and support for AQ either. ISI doesn't control Taliban and Taliban certainly doesn't control AQ. All these groups have their own hidden agenda and contradicting interests. Taliban and AQ may have been weakened if Pakistani aid is lessened or removed, but these groups will not disappeared at once.

Copied from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence#Afghanistan
The Taliban regime that the ISI supported after 1994 to suppress warlord fighting and in hopes of bringing stability to Afghanistan proved too rigid in its Islamic interpretations and too fond of the Al-Qaeda based on its soil. Despite receiving large sums of aid from Pakistan, the Taliban leader Mullah Omar is reported to have insulted a visiting delegation of Saudi Prince Sultan and an ISI general asking that the Taliban turn over bin Laden to Saudi Arabia.[9] Following the 9/11 attack on the United States by Al-Qaeda, Pakistan felt it necessary to cooperate with the US and the Northern Alliance
 
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