How much can Prussia get at the Congress of Vienna? And how can it become more liberal
The two are kind of mutually exclusive. The more land it receives the more likely it is to suffer from "nationalistic" rebellions (e.g Saxony in OTL) and the less liberal it will become.
Unless those rebellions, you, succeed.
Then it's not Prussia as we know it (unless the USA is really the UK in disguise)
Vienna is too late for a Prussian Belgium. Partly because Prussia didn't want Belgium and partly because it was already decided that the Netherlands would get it. The only thing not decided was the eastern border of the Netherlands. So it is possible for Prussia to gain for example the Meusse border (thus most of Dutch Limburg, Luxemburg and a large part of the Liege and naumer provinces of Belgium. This realy would be the best prussia could hope for I think and is actaly more than Prussia wanted. More likely they would just gain Luxemburg.Once saw a map which added Belgium to Prussia after Vienna.
The only thing not decided was the eastern border of the Netherlands. So it is possible for Prussia to gain for example the Meusse border (thus most of Dutch Limburg, Luxemburg and a large part of the Liege and naumer provinces of Belgium. This realy would be the best prussia could hope for I think and is actaly more than Prussia wanted. More likely they would just gain Luxemburg.
I effectively based it on that. OTL Prussia only wanted Luxemburg in Vienna. It was clear that Prussia did not care about the rest, since they gave the Netherlands almost all the parts that used to be part of the Southern Netherlands, including the parts that used to be Prussian. It was obvious they cared more about a reasonable border than gaining more territory in the south west.That reminds me of a French proposal a few years later:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand_partition_plan_for_Belgium
I effectively based it on that. OTL Prussia only wanted Luxemburg in Vienna. It was clear that Prussia did not care about the rest, since they gave the Netherlands almost all the parts that used to be part of the Southern Netherlands, including the parts that used to be Prussian. It was obvious they cared more about a reasonable border than gaining more territory in the south west.
As I said, the river Meusse as a border would be the best Prussia could hope for and it is not a realistic option, especialy considering Prussia didn't care for it. Actualy, I belive prussia would give up most of the Rhineland, if they would be able to gain all of Saxony.
Yeah, it is quite hard to expand Prussia in 1815. You realy need a POD in the late Napoleonic wars. I came to the same conclusion when I wanted to create a bigger Netherlands with the same POD.Systematic:
+ more Poland? Very difficult, since Tsar Alexander wanted to become the liberator and king of Poland. Killing Alexander with that cannonball in Leipzig gets us Tsar Constantin ... but still Prussia does not necessarily want much more Poles in 1815.
+ more Hanover? Impossible in 1815.
+ Holstein? As a way to punish Denmark? Very unlikely.
+ more Franconia? Getting back Ansbach-Bayreuth and acquiring Bamberg and Würzburg plus smaller parts would be possible if the King of Bavaria is as loyal to Napoleon as the King of Saxony was OTL and so his realm gets diminished or dismembered.
+ more Saxony? This is a thing the Prussian government wanted OTL: All of Saxony and perhaps even parts of the Thuringian principalities. Maybe, if they somehow become even more important in the defeat of Napoleon than in OTL.
Yeah, it is quite hard to expand Prussia in 1815. You realy need a POD in the late Napoleonic wars. I came to the same conclusion when I wanted to create a bigger Netherlands with the same POD.
So what could be a better POD for a bigger Prussia?
So what could be a better POD for a bigger Prussia?