bigger Gasden Purchase Inspired TL

ok i figured i would start a new thread for this, here is what i have so far, feel free to critique it, i'll post more later as i have it

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1853-Gadsden Purchase: Gadsden Purchase encompasses all of the purposed treaty, with the US giving Mexico $30 million dollars for the land which includes Coahuila, Chihuahua, Sonora, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas as well as all of the Baja California peninsula, this is not popular at all in Mexico which had shown an raise in national unity since the end of the Mexican-American War 5 years earlier. This is the last straw for Santa Anna, the people revolt, resulting in Santa Anna being removed from power, though he escapes and flees to Cuba with about $10 million.

The Gadsden Purchase sends shockwaves through the US, as the issue of free vs. slave states becomes more of an issue

Dec 20, 1860 Secession: South Carolina secedes from the Union as OTL followed by Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, and North Carolina.

Dec 1860-April 1861: the Fort Sumter siege goes as OTL April 4th when Lincoln learns that the Fort isn’t as well supplied as was thought, so in an attempt to lessen tensions with the seceded states, Lincoln orders that Fort Sumter be abandoned and sends a Naval ship to take the men and munitions from the fort. Lincoln informs Gov. Pickens of what he plans to do. The Confederate cabinet agrees to only attack “if that loony Lincoln attacks us first” During the pull out a unknown Confederate gets antsy and fires at the retreating Union Soldiers, fatally injuring one of the men standing guard. Due to the clam head of Major Robert Anderson, all of the rest of the soldiers are quickly moved aboard ship.

June 1861- Dec 1862 War of Southern Secession: All 11 of the Seceding states plus three of the new Mexican territories, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, wins their independence with help from Britain and France. Very little in real land battles were fought except in the west where the CSA was pushed out of Arizona and Chihuahua Territories. This is mainly due to both the North and the South trying not to anger Virginia who is neutral during the war. Virginia’s secession referendum doesn’t pass as in OTL due to no Battle of Fort Sumter; the siege was seen as an act of hostility on the Southerners part due to the fact that a rogue Confederate killed a Union soldier. Virginia’s neutrality hinged largely on not having armies from either side on their soil, while men enlist on both sides during the war, it is looked down upon.
Most of the major Battles are fought in Kentucky and Tennessee with the South pushing up through Kentucky from August of 1861 and then being pushed back to Tennessee by spring of 1862. While they battled it out in the West, the Union army was devising an unlikely plan that, if successful would let Union Troops march all the way to Montgomery. The plan called for a pincher move with the landing for 40,000 troops on the Mobile, Alabama and to move Troops through Kentucky and Tennessee, then to march to Montgomery, effectively cutting the CSA in Half and taking the Capital. Lincoln asked the only man he wanted to lead the troops, Robert E. Lee, but he refused stating “My State is neutral, and so am I.” This leaves Lincoln in a bind, Winfield Scot is to old, his next best Generals are from Virginia and if Lee won’t fight, he’s sure that they wont either, plus he doesn’t have any confidence in any of the Generals that aren’t from Virginia. The only other man that Lincoln could find was Major Gen. George B. McClellan who was capable and well organized.
Unfortunately for the Union, the campaign was an under disaster. On April 7, 1862 Troops in the north are soundly defeated at the Battle of Shiloh. Ulysses S. Grant’s Army of Kentucky was defeated when Albert Sidney Johnston and PGT Beauregard attack with Grant in a position similar to OTL. During the battle Grant is mortally wounded (falling off the horse is butterflied away) while leading a Charge into Johnston’s Flank. Sherman takes over and orders a retreat on April 9th after 2 days of intense fighting and Losing over 20,000 men. Maj. Gen. Don Carlos Buell’s Army of the Ohio showed up too late to be of any help.
April 6: Union Troops of the Army of the Potomac land at Mobile at the Battle of Mobile Bay, one of the few major victories of the War for the North, lasts until April 8 when the city is finally taken. Unfortunately McClellan loses a quarter of his men. With only the Army of the Potomac to lead the way to Montgomery and no Army coming from the North, the pincher move is unable to work. Though a second Army is being formed to compliment the move, it isn’t ready in time and the Confederacy is able to focus its weight on the Army of the Potomac. With the momentum on their side McClellan starts his campaign toward Montgomery, unaware that his Northern counterpart has been destroyed and will not have any support until later when it’s too late.

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Interesting TL you have there marl_d, I really enjoyed your alternate version of the siege of fort Sumpter.

One thing though, I highly doubt that the mexican province in and around Tampico would side with the confederates. IIRC that area was a fairly productive agricultural zone which had abolished slavery decades before the Gadsen purchase. I think it'd side with the north over the south. This would alter the ACW considerably.

Also what happens in between the Purchase and the ACW? Are the new mexican territories administered as states or territories? How well do the mexicans integrate with the US? Are they given the vote? How are these new territories divided between slave and free? Do they affect the election of 1860?

I'd also like to point out that Virginia was the industrial heartland of the CSA. Without Virginia the south is going to be extremely hard pressed to arm it's armies. Combine this with the fact that the Union has naval supremacy, superior manpower, and the fact that neither Jackson or Lee are fighting with the South and I think that just like OTL the south is doomed.

Anyhow just my thoughts...

Good TL, keep up the good work!
 
thanks Fearless i appreciate the imput.

as for the first part Tamaulipas is in the CSA due mostly to just being surounded by the rest of the CS, and they promised statehood upon independence from the USA, and later it will become an important oil producer for the CSA.

the newly aquired land has been administered as territories over the last 7 years. Sonra, Chihuahua, and Arizonia territories are free and the other three are slave

as too the mexicans, at this time most of those nothern territories are thinly populated so there aren't many (though more than were in the land aquired in the Mexican-American War) and most of the population is either Free/runaway blacks or whites looking for gold or other metals.

i'll post more later
 
marl_d said:
the newly aquired land has been administered as territories over the last 7 years. Sonra, Chihuahua, and Arizonia territories are free and the other three are slave

sorry this doesn't make since, with the last post, Tamaulipas is technically a slave state but even with the influx of southern slave holders durning the last 7 years the majority of the people are free blacks, mexicans, and indians, and is the most industrilized area of the new territories.

as for the south and no Vriginia, the biggest reason they win is with Virginia being neutral Lincoln doesn't want to piss them off and send them into southeren arms and possibly take other states with them (Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Missiouri) this makes fighting the Confederacy that much harder. the south is blockaded as OTL though
 
here's some more of my TL


April-July: Having started with 40,000 troops, then losing a quarter of them during the battle, McClellan leads a very slow strenuous fight toward Montgomery with 25,000 men, leaving 5,000 men to garrison Mobile. He’s slow not because of difficulties from supply lines or large battles, but mostly from his own characteristics and constant harassment by the local population fighting a guerrilla style campaign that thoroughly demoralizes not only McClellan, but his troops as well. Word reaches McClellan that the Northern Thrust has been delayed considerably by the defeat at Shiloh and that it’ll be several weeks before the army can be brought to full strength to try again. He is given the order to continue on his way and that reinforcements are on their way, though they wouldn’t get there as promised.

June 26 – July 6 Battle of Montgomery: McClellan finally arrives at Montgomery with only 20,000 men. The 5,000 were left in a wake to protect his supply line. Unfortunately for McClellan, the Rebel forces have known about his target ever since he landed and had expected him there around the end of May, and not the end of June, and used that extra month to build bigger and better fortifications around the city. Samuel Cooper personally oversaw the defense of the City and saw it as his personal duty to protect it and the CS government. McClellan’s siege of Montgomery wore on for 10 days. Several times there were opening, but they were not taken advantage of in time and were skillfully filled by Gen. Cooper’s men. On July 4, Gen. James Longstreet’s 15,000 troops marched in and mashed into McClellan’s flank, pinning him between the city forts and Longstreet’s troops. After 2 day’s of intense fighting, McClellan surrenders with only 3,000 troops left to his command. When word reaches Washington of McClellan’s lose, Lincoln laments, “If only Lee had taken that command, the Union would be whole again!”

July-September: Battles are fought in Tennessee, with Rebel Troops pushing Union troops from Tennessee into southern Kentucky when Great Britain and France force the US to recognize the Confederacy or face a war with both. On October 1, 1862 the United States Formally recognizes the Confederate States right to exist with the Treaty of Richmond. Secretary of State Seward, the singe for the US, declares Britain and France will get what is coming to them.
Treaty of Richmond basically states that USA recognizes the CSA as a legitimate country all areas under CSA control are given to her with the exception of Kentucky who will retain her land. Due to routing victories in the Southwest and western Mexican territories the US keeps them, while the CS gets Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas.
In Nov 1862 Tamaulipas is admitted to the CS as the 11th state and is the only one to ban slavery (while controversial, was part of the deal to support the CS) but enforces strict registration of it’s black population, Mexicans and Indian tribes are given the vote in the state and elect the first non-white members of the CSA Congress in elections in Nov.

North America in Nov 1862:

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Virginia's biggest reason for leaving the Union was the Battle of Fort Sumnter and Lincoln's call for tropps, which they saw as an act of aggression agianst the states. here Lincoln has pulled out the tropps and a Confederate trooper shoots a Union solider. Due to this Virginia decides to stay in the Union, but is neutral in the fighting and stays with the Union afterward. but because they're neutral, it's a natural ground for the to sides to sign a treaty, albeit with the US with basically a gun at it's head with Britian and France frocing them to cuputiulate. this pushes the US into trying to take out Canada, which backfires on them (that part is coming next)

as for West Texas...no they'll stay with the CSA, for now anyway
 
Yeah, Max has been installed as Emperor of Mexico, that was one of the things that pissed Lincoln, they don't go to war with France/Mexico though because they think of it as too big a chunck to bite off....though it proably would have been a better option
 
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here is the Map for the next portion of the TL, haven't completed it yet, but this is the outcome of the War of '64 between the US and Canada/Great Britian as second terrible loss in a 6 year period for the US.

I'll post the TL as soon as i get it done

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no, i meant taking on both france/mexico and Great Britian at the same time...the Adminastrion sees the British as their bigger enemy so tries to take her out first
 
British win I suppose in late '40's

Well its probably the one time the British can probably engage the Americans with few pressing commitments elsewhere. I look forward to seeing the details though... the map with end result looks a bit odd though...given the paucity of population in the northern tier I would have thought both Brits and Americans would have preferred a more clean simple border...say the 46th parallel ...Columbia River across to and including the UP....

though I suppose it depends on actual events...
 
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