Why did Carter embargo grain on the USSR, exactly?
Im not sure how much utility there would be in doing a deal with a China where Dengism never happens tbh, and Hua doesn’t seem like the “do a deal” type
Bicentennial Man: Ford '76 and Beyond
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Im not sure how much utility there would be in doing a deal with a China where Dengism never happens tbh, and Hua doesn’t seem like the “do a deal” type
The invasion of Afghanistan
I assume china’s population still has a major boom so pragmatically some deal would benefit both sides
Ah in that case, no, since the USSR only sent advisors ITTL not a full on invasion
Ah, so farmers aren’t doing quite as bay as IRL.
Do you plan on posting a list of Carey’s cabinet?
I supect that without the stresses of being POTUS, Reagan's cognitive troubles will develop into actual Alzheimer's slower than they did IOTL.
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Just want to note that this thread has already achieved a very impressive length and depth, even as it focuses pretty much entirely on four years (1977-1980).
It does make me wonder if @KingSweden24 has considered starting a sequel thread, focusing on TTL’s version of the 1980’s?
It does make me wonder if @KingSweden24 has considered starting a sequel thread, focusing on TTL’s version of the 1980’s?
No Def not. Yes, we’ll get his Cabinet here once he’s inaugurated
I agree
Good q. I’m actually undecided - I do know that I want a faster narrative pace in the 1980s where I get less bogged down on minutiae. This story got a lot easier to write once I abandoned the excerpt motif and I want to do something a bit more like the excellent “Exocet” by @Nevran
So I’m open to ideas either way on carving that off as a separate thread
Oh I know you should see my other one 😂
I’ll give it some thought though, the intent of this story has always been “what if the whole back half of the 70s went the complete opposite” so having the Ford admin be a self-contained story with a sequel does have some minor appeal.
maybe I can call the sequel thread “Keep Calm and Carey On” lol
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Great map. Pretty much what I expected given that it was mentioned in a prior post that Reagan would narrowly carry California. What did the swing state popular vote look like? Here’s hoping that President Carey can effectively use his victory and Congressional majority to close the door on the difficulties of the last decade. I’m hoping that the 1982 Recession can be blunted. And Carey’s personal life doesn’t become a problem.
Well done.
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I assume a full employment act will be passed in 1981 to get ahead of it
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On the contrary, the minutiae was some of the best I've ever seen. Updates on events in Arabia, Somalia, etc, places that usually get ignored by 70's timelines, were some of my favorite parts of the timeline. This timeline covered more corners of the globe than any other Watergate-era project I've seen on this site since Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo. I absolutely loved the first part, and I can't wait to see more of this thread!
Thank you! I’m always amazed how much the Middle East outside of Iran gets skipped in the context of the late 70s; you can’t really understand the last 25+ years of history without knowing how much of it was seeded between the first oil embargo in 1973 and the Beirut bombings in 1982
1980 Oktoberfest bombing
The 1980 Oktoberfest bombing (German: Oktoberfest-Attentat) was a far-right terrorist attack on 26 September 1980, in Munich, West Germany. A bomb exploded at the entrance to the Oktoberfest festival during a crush to exit the grounds for the evening, killing 147 people (including, it turned out, the perpetrator, Gundolf Kohler) and injuring over 300 others. It was the worst terrorist attack and loss of life on German soil since the end of the Second World War.
The subsequent investigation by Bavarian authorities proved highly controversial, occurring less than two weeks before the 1980 federal election in which Bavarian Minister-President Franz-Josef Strauss was the candidate for Chancellor for the opposition CDU/CSU coalition. With the bombing initially attributed to the leftist Red Army Faction which had carried out other attacks over the 1970s, Strauss saw a late but noticeable surge in polling and his conservative party would win a narrow and unexpected majority government over the incumbent government of Helmut Schmidt; Strauss would serve as Chancellor until his death in 1988. Later investigations by Der Spiegel in the mid-1980s suggested that investigators had missed evidence and created conspiracy theories of a cover up; in 1996, the government of SPD Chancellor Rudolf Scharping requested an inquest be opened and in 1999 a report was released offering disgruntled student Gundolf Kohler as the perpetrator and suggesting sloppiness, rather than conspiracy, was at fault for missing it earlier.
Conspiracy theories around the Oktoberfest bombing have been a prominent feature of German political life since the incident; Kohler had some loose connections to neo-Nazi groups and suspicions have been raised that he did not act alone, perhaps with the intent to elect the right-wing Strauss, or that sympathetic Bavarian officials covered up evidence that it was not carried out by the RAF in order to prevent the attack from boomeranging back onto Strauss. Chancellor Edmund Stoiber, himself a Bavarian, in 2007 acknowledged, "Mistakes were made in the investigation, but more than anything, the attacker's success was in turning Germans against each other in political life and in poisoning our discourse."
The subsequent investigation by Bavarian authorities proved highly controversial, occurring less than two weeks before the 1980 federal election in which Bavarian Minister-President Franz-Josef Strauss was the candidate for Chancellor for the opposition CDU/CSU coalition. With the bombing initially attributed to the leftist Red Army Faction which had carried out other attacks over the 1970s, Strauss saw a late but noticeable surge in polling and his conservative party would win a narrow and unexpected majority government over the incumbent government of Helmut Schmidt; Strauss would serve as Chancellor until his death in 1988. Later investigations by Der Spiegel in the mid-1980s suggested that investigators had missed evidence and created conspiracy theories of a cover up; in 1996, the government of SPD Chancellor Rudolf Scharping requested an inquest be opened and in 1999 a report was released offering disgruntled student Gundolf Kohler as the perpetrator and suggesting sloppiness, rather than conspiracy, was at fault for missing it earlier.
Conspiracy theories around the Oktoberfest bombing have been a prominent feature of German political life since the incident; Kohler had some loose connections to neo-Nazi groups and suspicions have been raised that he did not act alone, perhaps with the intent to elect the right-wing Strauss, or that sympathetic Bavarian officials covered up evidence that it was not carried out by the RAF in order to prevent the attack from boomeranging back onto Strauss. Chancellor Edmund Stoiber, himself a Bavarian, in 2007 acknowledged, "Mistakes were made in the investigation, but more than anything, the attacker's success was in turning Germans against each other in political life and in poisoning our discourse."
That’s an interesting (if dark) idea. Could replace the Lennon Assassination in the public conscious for late 1980
Finally caught up with this TL. Excellent work, hope it continues into the 1980s.
It’ll make for a very different German political culture, too. More polarized by Strauss, more classically right wing CDU, etc. Lot of butterflies there
Thanks! I’ll definitely be forging ahead with this as best I can
