Bee said:
http://www.roman-emperors.org/alexsev.htm
http://www.roman-emperors.org/alexand.htm
I think.
So very awesome. Now if only the Normans weren't such...Latin Franks.
BG's big list of Byzantine PODs
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http://www.roman-emperors.org/alexsev.htm
http://www.roman-emperors.org/alexand.htm
I think.
So very awesome. Now if only the Normans weren't such...Latin Franks.
Curious. That is a nice list of PODs
Just wondering, (and i do not think that it has been mentioned)but does anyone know enough about Crispus, the eldest son of Constantine and his first wife, Minervina? Rumour has it that he was very much like his father in almost every way - especially in the business of ruling/politics and fighting
Supposedly he was killed on his fathers orders because he "reputedly" raped his stepmother, Fausta, mother of the Constantine II, Constans and Constantius.
Just wondering, (and i do not think that it has been mentioned)but does anyone know enough about Crispus, the eldest son of Constantine and his first wife, Minervina? Rumour has it that he was very much like his father in almost every way - especially in the business of ruling/politics and fighting
Supposedly he was killed on his fathers orders because he "reputedly" raped his stepmother, Fausta, mother of the Constantine II, Constans and Constantius.
Good list, I'm curious though WI Michael VIII Paleologae focused more on the east and the retaking of Anatolia instead of the Balkans???
How much of Anatolia is really retakeable? How much is worth retaking from Byzantium's shaky 1261 position?
The Fathers reject the flimsy claims of Apostolic succession in Constantinople which remains a suffrage to Heraclea
Photius doesn't intrude on Ignatius' See of Constantinople (Bardas is either more discrete, Ignatius picks his battles more carefully, Ignatius dies early or is properly deposed and Photius is lawfully elected, etc etc)
Keroularios deposes Isaac and sets himself up in the purple.
Photius doesn't intrude on Ignatius' See of Constantinople (Bardas is either more discrete, Ignatius picks his battles more carefully, Ignatius dies early or is properly deposed and Photius is lawfully elected, etc etc)
Keroularios deposes Isaac and sets himself up in the purple.
A lot actually. Just make sure Manfried remains king of Sicily, get rid of Charles. also in his achaen expedition have him win at priniza thus successfully annexing Achae. Next have him conclude peace with the other crusader states. Have him fortify western boxers, then have him
lead his 20k army on an invasion into Anatolia. After all he is in a very good position to destroy the smallerbeyliks. Next have him ensure strict boxer policy so Turks dont invade Nikea. This will leave Byzantium in a very strong position... Also make sure that the pope does not call a crusade against constantinople. Have Michael betray genoa and ally with Venice. Also make sure genoa does not recieve it's colonies in Galatia. From their I can see a Byzantine empire on the road to recovery
Wait for parts 3 and 4. I know I've wondered what would have happened if Alexius had saved the Crusaders at Antioch (i.e. shown up at the same time as Kerbogha, engaged him and the Crusaders had rushed out to help the imperial forces winning the battle even more thoroughly).
All he has to do is stay on course. He can't really arrive until after the battle is over anyway, but Bohemund won't be able to keep Antioch and relations with the Crusaders stay much better. Given the normally friendly relations, it's quite likely Raymond ends up with Shaizar and Bohemund with Tripoli instead.
Either way, there's a lot more pressure against Aleppo, which has big implications wrt Zengi, Nur ed-Din, and Saladin.
Makes the Crusades of 1101 much more likely to succeed, too.
A lot actually. Just make sure Manfried remains king of Sicily, get rid of Charles. also in his achaen expedition have him win at priniza thus successfully annexing Achae. Next have him conclude peace with the other crusader states. Have him fortify western boxers, then have him
lead his 20k army on an invasion into Anatolia. After all he is in a very good position to destroy the smallerbeyliks. Next have him ensure strict boxer policy so Turks dont invade Nikea. This will leave Byzantium in a very strong position... Also make sure that the pope does not call a crusade against constantinople. Have Michael betray genoa and ally with Venice. Also make sure genoa does not recieve it's colonies in Galatia. From their I can see a Byzantine empire on the road to recovery
And with all that wishful thinking mounts for the cavalry won't be any problem either.
Venice has proven as bad or worse than Genoa (and I'm not referring to 1204). Is a strict border policy going to do much good without the resources to enforce it? Does Michael have the manpower to take and hold a significant area of the western part of Anatolia?
Manfred staying in power isn't all good either. Better than Charles, but not great.
Well I doubt he can take all of Anatolia, but Im sure with this POD he can hold the current anatolan possestions and have Byzantium remain a regional power at best
Well I doubt he can take all of Anatolia, but Im sure with this POD he can hold the current anatolan possestions and have Byzantium remain a regional power at best
Probably possible. The main problem is that his son is...not qualified to rule.
Honestly 1261+ Byzantium needs a big break. And I'm feeling particularly pessimistic at the moment (colds are the suck).
May compile part 3 tomorrow. There are lots of Komnenid PODs though to consider...
Yeah for example battle of Myriokephlon ends in Roman victory, otl the seijuks ambushes a combined byzantine-Hungarian force of some 45k led by Manuel and slaughtered most of them leading to byzantine weakness against seijuks preventing the romans from making inroads into Anatolia, yeah it was a very big blunder... Could have easily gone the other way
Some possibilities:
1: John II lives another few years - discussed, but never to the point of a full timeline (I'm working on ideas for one, though and also see #3 below)
2: Andronicus I is not overthrown ::tips hat to Constantinos::
3: Alexius, John's older son succeeds instead of him - with or without John living longer (partially done by Midgard - only went to the point of John living another ten years or so)
4: Isaac succeeds instead of Manuel. (John's other living son at the time of his OTL death, mentioned in relation to discussions on John, no timeline)
5: Anna succeeds Alexius I instead of his son John (discussed, no timeline)
1: John II lives another few years - discussed, but never to the point of a full timeline (I'm working on ideas for one, though and also see #3 below)
2: Andronicus I is not overthrown ::tips hat to Constantinos::
3: Alexius, John's older son succeeds instead of him - with or without John living longer (partially done by Midgard - only went to the point of John living another ten years or so)
4: Isaac succeeds instead of Manuel. (John's other living son at the time of his OTL death, mentioned in relation to discussions on John, no timeline)
5: Anna succeeds Alexius I instead of his son John (discussed, no timeline)
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One point about the Antioch thing, yes I was informed by BG that he couldn't reach Antioch in time but what if things were such that he COULD have. I think that would have a better chance of tamping down some of the crusader hate that resulted upon learning that he turned back.
I think Myriocephalon was overrated. Manuel only had a few years left but the Byzantines still won in 1177. I'm not sure how much could have been accomplished if manuel had won in 1176. Had Manuel been followed up by someone competent, advances into Anatolia could well have continued but as we all know he wasn't.