Better Brazil

abc123

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So, what would be nescessary for better, more developed Brazil?
I challenge you, with POD no later than 1900. make better Brazil?
 
So, what would be nescessary for better, more developed Brazil?
I challenge you, with POD no later than 1900. make better Brazil?

Maybe a less expensive JK presidence?He did many good projects,but the resulting debt....
 
For a brief period during the mid 1800's, Brazil banned Free immigrants, as they would compete with & upset the Slave trade.
This led to Brazil not getting a lot of Irish Farmers, But also missing out on a lot of German Craftsmen & Skilled Laborers.
 
You can make the Dom Pedro II support the industrialization impetus of the Vicount(?) Mauá,instead of being bitterly against it.Mauá with imperial support means an early brazilian idustrializatio,he was like the americans Tycoons,Rockfeller,Carnaghie and others.
 
For a brief period during the mid 1800's, Brazil banned Free immigrants, as they would compete with & upset the Slave trade.
This led to Brazil not getting a lot of Irish Farmers, But also missing out on a lot of German Craftsmen & Skilled Laborers.

Sorry for asking, but what is your source for this? IIRC we never banned European immigrants, but there were European nations that forbade emigration to Brazil (Prussia was one of them).
 
So, what would be nescessary for better, more developed Brazil?
I challenge you, with POD no later than 1900. make better Brazil?

Brazil could have stopped importing slaves much earlier, say 1822 when they first raised the idea. Slavery developed the sugar cane industry but it retarded other forms of development.

If the slave trade (not slavery itself since that might have been too big a step in one go) had been stopped then more European immigrants would have arrived earlier and pushed up general living standards over time.

Ending the slave trade would have reduced the size of the eventual underclass that became a feature of Brazil until the present time.

Free immigrants are ultimately more productive and make better citizens than people dragged unwillingly to a land and society that many of them would have hated.

But would Brazil still have won so many world cups?
 

abc123

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Brazil could have stopped importing slaves much earlier, say 1822 when they first raised the idea. Slavery developed the sugar cane industry but it retarded other forms of development.

If the slave trade (not slavery itself since that might have been too big a step in one go) had been stopped then more European immigrants would have arrived earlier and pushed up general living standards over time.

Ending the slave trade would have reduced the size of the eventual underclass that became a feature of Brazil until the present time.

Free immigrants are ultimately more productive and make better citizens than people dragged unwillingly to a land and society that many of them would have hated.

But would Brazil still have won so many world cups?


OK, so let that POD is earlyer, so Brazil banns importation of slaves in about 1830. And after that allows and encourages immigration of Europeans ( Italians, Irish, Germans.... ).
Encourages industrialisation as soon as possible.
Would that save the Empire?
 
OK, so let that POD is earlyer, so Brazil banns importation of slaves in about 1830. And after that allows and encourages immigration of Europeans ( Italians, Irish, Germans.... ).
Encourages industrialisation as soon as possible.
Would that save the Empire?

:rolleyes: Brazil encouraged the immigration of europeans from 1808 onwards, and they mostly settled in southern brazil were there wasn't a slave economy so ending slavery won't do jack shit to increase the rate of their arrival. Plus Brazil got lots of immigrants relative to their population already.

Industrialising is just so easy it was silly of Brazil not to do it early in the OTL right? ;) Brazil lacked energy resources, until electrification and hydropower took off it was hard for brazil to make anything, and so agricultural exports were the natural result. Plus brazil produces a number of unique products that make so much money you have little left over for other capitalisations.

To improve brazil's 20th century standing you need:
* Making the US a much less attractive/welcoming for immigrants. People wanted to go to Brazil, they just wanted to go to the US more.
* Earlier development of hydroelectricity and the whole third industrial revolution (though this will have enormous butterflies)
* No Great Depression, which wiped out all of Brazils wealth before they had a chance to try export subsitution.
 

abc123

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What if somehow, a maile heir of Dom Pedro II, survived, let's say Dom Pedro III, and he become a new Emperor, let's say in 1880s.
Maybe a Heir would help his father to better rule the cuntry. To pay more attention on army etc.
Could continuation of Empire affect development of Brazil in positive way?
 
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