Best Way to Avoid A World War?

Were the Christians numerically superior? Could've been at that time, of course - today, with 70+ million Turks, it sounds... unlikely.

The Christians were certainly numerically superior the European part of the Empire.

As the mighty British-German Alliance.. I can't see it myself. The world views are far too different. It isn't the 1700/1800s, if Britain gets *the world* and Germany gets *Europe* then Britain is in a very poor situation. Not as bad as Russia and France obviously, but it would be a severe loss of relative power.
 

Glen

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MarkA said:
As you have noticed there are a myriad of PODs to answer this question. Perhaps rephrase it to ask what is the latest POD that could avoid the wars?

I have one, actually...

But I just need to tweak it a bit....

Obviously, the POD should be latest sometime in 1914.
 
I think avoiding the World War I is impossible.

I disagree with Jared in that the black death allowed industrialization to happen. It improved the lot of the peasantry by causing an increase in the demand for labor, and gave them bargaining chips against the feudal aristocracy. Without it, peasants would be kept under the boots of the nobility for some time, none of which adds up to earlier industrialization by my reckoning.

Perhaps the English winning the Hundred Years war decisively. They rule France for two hundred years, eventually being driven out by the unified Spaniards or somebody else.

With France gone, or divided, or something, colonization of the New World takes much longer, as the nations of Europe have something to fight over, thus leaving them in a perpetual state of war over the lands of France.

This would also likely lead to a faster consolidation of Germany. German states would inevitably find themselves at war with one another and with the duchies in France, and against larger states like England/Great Britain. This would lead to consolidation through conquest or alliance. The larger states would invariably come to dominate the various smaller ones, and I think we'd have a few power blocs by the 1750s, around Prussia, Bavaria, and Hanover or Mecklenburg. These states in turn would fight a long series of wars for domination of the German states, including the Hapsburgs, who would likely envelop Bavaria. This would leave two states in Germany, Prussia and Hanover, and Prussia would probably win.

You'd probably get a 20th Century free of world wars, as Europe would be too busy fighting itself as France fights to unify, Prussia and Austria battle it out, England seeks to keep France disunited, and Russia expands in all directions, mainly west....
 
I think that doing something about "Willie the Stupid" would have made a big difference. For sure there would have been problems and violence as Turkey and the Austria face their internal contradictions, the same perhaps might happen in Russia and eventually the British and French Empires.

However I do not think any of these required a catastrophe on the scale that happened in 1914.

The direct cause of the war was stupid. Any sane Austrian leadership would have been satisified by the humiliation of Serbia by its acceptance of most of the Austrian Ultimatum, as happened.
 
In OTL Serbia accepted almost all of the Austrian Ultimatum but their refusal to accept one point was enough for Austria, with Bill's encouragment, to declare war on Serbia on July 28 which was followed by events we know in August 1914
 
Thermopylae said:
Self-explanatory. What PoD would have a 20th Century Without Tears? What would need to happen to avoid both WWI and subsequently WWII.

Easy: convince the GOP conservatives to have Taft stand aside and give Theodore Roosevelt the nomination in 1912. Roosevelt and Hiram Johnson will easily defeat Woodrow Wilson and Thomas Marshall.

Then, when the Austro-Serbian crisis occurs in late June 1914, there is a president in the White House with impeccable international credentials and tremendous prestige in the chancelleries of Europe. Building on his mediation of the Russo-Japanese War in 1906, Roosevelt offers to mediate the Austro-Serbian crisis. Pressured by Kaiser Wilhelm II (who values Roosevelt's friendship) and by the British (thanks in no small part due to the influence of Cecil Spring-Rice), Austria and Serbia come to the conference table.

The details need not concern us here, but the entire crisis is averted, and Theodore Roosevelt wins the Nobel Peace Prize--again--in 1915.
 
Bulgaroktonos said:
I think avoiding the World War I is impossible.

Absurd. It damn near didn't happen: Serbia virtually caved completely to the Habsburg Empire; had a strong mediator been available (see above), there might well not have been an ultimatum, and certainly no war.
 
Straha said:
Impossible. Human nature being what it is will make at least one WWI type conflict. WWII was avoidable but WWI wasn't.

I feel the same way....The players might change, but an exceptional conflict was bound to happen. Its human nature, with all the new toys, someone would have started some (*$^. JMO
 
That's all very true, BUT, how can we postpone a global conflict until the 21st century? LIke I said a "20th Century Without Tears".

I'm thinking something along the lines of a Napoleonic victory. Hmm...
 
Thermopylae said:
That's all very true, BUT, how can we postpone a global conflict until the 21st century? LIke I said a "20th Century Without Tears".

I'm thinking something along the lines of a Napoleonic victory. Hmm...
The difference in technology would be interesting.
 
Is the idea to prevent any war from taking place in Europe after 1914, or is the idea to just prevent a large war from happening?
 
Wendell said:
The difference in technology would be interesting.

It does indeed. How would 21st century military technology look if the First and Second World Wars hadn't caused the shift toward mobility, mechanization, armor, and air power?
 
Kursk said:
It does indeed. How would 21st century military technology look if the First and Second World Wars hadn't caused the shift toward mobility, mechanization, armor, and air power?

OTOH, without all the death in both WW, not to mention the capital destroyed, quite a few advances in sciences and technolgies coupld have been possible, so it's imaginable such a TL could be more advanced than our own on some points ( though likely not in WMD )
 

Glen

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VoCSe said:
Just because you're a homicidal maniac doesn't mean everybody else is too.

Yes, but everybody doesn't have to be, just a significant minority of Strahas should lead to world war...
 
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