Best Time For The US To Invade Canada?

Without a canal and before the invention of steamers, BC probably isn't going to be getting much help from the British fleet either. It'll take a loooong time for them to get anything over there.


Not that long if their coming from further west.;)

Steve
 
This is a detailed description of how and when it will happen. But for this to happen you have to have a Chinese invasion of Alaska in place.


2059
  • The Anchorage Front Line is established, as the United States increases its military presence in Alaska to protect its oil interests. The Anchorage Front Line causes tensions in the United States and Canada, as the United States attempts to pressure Canada into allowing American military units to guard the Alaskan pipeline.
2066
  • Winter: As a sign of increasing tension between the two countries, Canada proves reluctant to allow American troops on Canadian soil or allow American planes to fly over Canadian airspace. The United States and Canadian tensions rise, but Canada eventually backs down, and U.S. troops pass through Canada. This sets the stage for the Canadian annexation (which occurs in 2076).
2069
  • Canada begins to feel the pressure from the United States military as the U.S. draws upon Canadian resources for the war effort. Vast stretches of timberland are destroyed, and other resources in Canada are stretched to the breaking point.
2072
  • The United States' increasing demand for Canadian resources causes protests and riots in several Canadian cities. An attempted sabotage of the Alaskan pipeline is all the military needs as an excuse to begin its annexation of Canada...which in fact had already begun in 2067.
2076
  • January: The United States annexation of Canada is complete. Canadian protesters and rioters are shot on sight, and the Alaskan Pipeline swarms with American military units. Pictures of atrocities make their way to the United States, causing further unrest and protests.
PS: Im very sorry if this kills the seriousness of the tread, but the US invading Canada is kind of a silly idea for me. :)
 
Best time for the USA to invade Canada is 1941, if by "best" we consider "when it is most likely to conquer Canada".
 

MacCaulay

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Yup. During the Reconstruction, the US Army could hold an area many times that size with somewhat-bumped up peacetime resources.

I don't think you quite understand just what the US military was busy doing during Reconstruction.

They were busy...with Reconstruction.


Nothing that can really sustain a conventional army that withdraws there, or a guerrilla that puts its bases here.

I served in the Canadian military, and in actuality they have a force up there called the Rangers. They're an indian force that's used for search-and-rescue operations, and in the event of an invasion (it was planned that it would be from the north) their mission would be exactly what you're saying is impossible.

Not to be a jerk, but you're wrong.

As for bases...there's CFB Cold Lake, Yellowknife, and any number of other airstrips. If it's in the '30s you've got the entire Alcan airstrip line, and in the present day any number of airstrips that routinely service CF-18 Hornets, C-130s, and visiting troops.
 

MacCaulay

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I apologize if this seems like a hijack, but when is the best time for Mexico to invade the United States?

I'd say in the 1830s, when it invaded Texas. That seemed to be about the one time they really had it going on militarily.

Well, they did pretty good against the French in the 1860s, but that was more a "they're in our homes! We'd better get our shit together!" kind of reaction.
 
There's no way that British naval superiority is going to help the Canadian Plains in case of an American invasion, although BC and the East provinces are a different story.

And there's no way that an American army in the Canadian Plains is going to prevent the Royal Navy from burning the American East Coast to the ground.
 
It wouldn't be the easiest time for the US to invade, but an annexation before the formation of Canada would be the easiest way to make Canadians Americans. Before then there wasn't really Canadian nationalism, just fear of American dominance. PEI and Newfoundland leaned towards joining the US at first but Canada panicked and sucked up to them to get them to join. I remember many in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick were reluctant to be what they thought as being annexed by the Province of Canada (I think Nova Scotia elected some 19 secessionist MPs). And the West was unsettled.

Anyways, since most in PEI and Nova Scotia etc. are proud Canadians today, it shows that an American annexation will probably not lead to lasting hostility as the last British subjects die out.

A pretty ASBish (especially the first part) example:
1837 - The Canadian rebellions are crushed and instead of a more democratic autonomous government, Britain keeps a firm hold on Canada, fearing that if they give it more democracy it will become pro-US and want to be annexed.

1862

The Trent Affair escalates into war between Britain and the US, with war declared on September 17. Russia joins the US and France joins Britain. Napoleon III also intervenes in Mexico, confident that the US will be shortly defeated.

On the same day that war was declared, US Gen. U.S. Grant decisively defeats Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee at the Battle of Antietnam. Afterwards Lincoln issues the Emancipation Proclamation as well as the Antietnam Address, which cause a backlash in Britain and France of their support of the Confederacy. Grant pursues the Army of Northern Virginia and with it decimated, the crippled Confederacy only lasts a few more months before surrendering.

The Union invades Canada but the Canadians (especially Quebecois) are not enraged due to having democracy suppressed by Britain since 1937 and are horrified to see the mother country allied with a state associated with slavery. Furthermore, Britain declared war on the US, and is seen as the aggressor. The Union quickly steamrolls over Canada since the Confederate front is all but won, and Mexico occupies most of the French military's focus. British PM Palmerston is defeated by a motion of no confidence and Britain cedes what would later make up Canada to the US.

To decrease Canadian animosity towards their conquerors, the US encourages high immigration into Canada, especially the unpopulated West. Eastern Canada possibly put under a light version of Reconstruction. Many die-hard Loyalists go to Australia.
 
I don't think you quite understand just what the US military was busy doing during Reconstruction.

They were busy...with Reconstruction.




I served in the Canadian military, and in actuality they have a force up there called the Rangers. They're an indian force that's used for search-and-rescue operations, and in the event of an invasion (it was planned that it would be from the north) their mission would be exactly what you're saying is impossible.

Not to be a jerk, but you're wrong.

As for bases...there's CFB Cold Lake, Yellowknife, and any number of other airstrips. If it's in the '30s you've got the entire Alcan airstrip line, and in the present day any number of airstrips that routinely service CF-18 Hornets, C-130s, and visiting troops.


That's why I told him that he really doesn't know that much about us. ;) :D
 
I served in the Canadian military, and in actuality they have a force up there called the Rangers. They're an indian force that's used for search-and-rescue operations, and in the event of an invasion (it was planned that it would be from the north) their mission would be exactly what you're saying is impossible.

Not to be a jerk, but you're wrong.

As for bases...there's CFB Cold Lake, Yellowknife, and any number of other airstrips. If it's in the '30s you've got the entire Alcan airstrip line, and in the present day any number of airstrips that routinely service CF-18 Hornets, C-130s, and visiting troops.

Leaving aside the reconstruction bit, as this is in the pre-1900 forum I figured on a pre-1900 invasion (later than that I would argue is ASB without some other major changes to history which would probably lead to earlier invasions). Those bases were not, I believe, there in the 1800s. Nor were the highways and roads that supply them. How would that change the effectiveness of guerrilla tactics and trying to retreat to the north while striking south?
 
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