Best Possible Post-Colonial Africa Divisions?

God damnit.

You guys go decide if you want SA balkanized or not. I'll be back when you're done!

Chill dude.

I was just making the point that you are using existing provincial borders to balkanise South Africa, and not all South Africa's provinces correspond on ethnic lines. Gauteng, Mpumalanga, Limpopo, and to a lesser extent, the Free State and North-West are all ethnically mixed. The Western Cape and Northern Cape are also mixed but are relatively unique, as Africans do not make up the majority in those provinces.
 
I apologize. Tone of voice is not easily distinguished over the Internet. That statement was intended to be in jest.
 
I apologize. Tone of voice is not easily distinguished over the Internet. That statement was intended to be in jest.

Ha ha, I wasn't sure.

:p

Look at old maps of South Africa with the homelands on them, and you'll get a (very) rough idea of where the black ethnic groups were situated.

Wiki's maps of language distribution in South Africa could also be useful.
 
I'm fine with nitpicking hordes as long as we get a good result.

Here's a new one:
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The Yoruba nation gets only the South-West of Nigeria
 
Added to the next version.

Anyway, could I get a list of nations there is no argument about, so I can white them out?

The thing about Africa is the nations that have only one ethnic group are so few.

Botswana, Lesotho, and Swaziland are examples, but there are large numbers of Basotho, Tswanas, and Swazis in South Africa.

:eek:
 
Yup, but it all seems a bit unlikely though doesn't it? If one is in the position of being a colonial power in the normal fashion, one isn't really thinking or at least acting with some sort of coherent and principled long term plan for when you leave.

The original post asks us to assume "nigh-ASB levels of European caring for the African people." So I'm assuming that everyone involved in the creation of the alt-FRN has the attitudes of Garfield Todd after his road-to-Damascus moment.

Yeah, I know, even the ASBs probably couldn't do that. :p

BTW, if we're balkanizing southern Africa, then why are the Shona and the Ndebele still in the same country?
 
Decentralize Decentralize Decentralize!

French West Africa unifies…under a Swiss Canton Model, with every tribe having local control, especially financial control over how local taxes are distributed. Monetary Policy, Foreign Affairs, Defense Policy are centralized, most everything else is handled on the local/tribal level.
 
The original post asks us to assume "nigh-ASB levels of European caring for the African people." So I'm assuming that everyone involved in the creation of the alt-FRN has the attitudes of Garfield Todd after his road-to-Damascus moment.

Yeah, I know, even the ASBs probably couldn't do that. :p

BTW, if we're balkanizing southern Africa, then why are the Shona and the Ndebele still in the same country?

Well, I must admit I brushed over that

I therefore want to see Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland and lower Mozambique into South Africa. Then, I want to see Pretoria become federal capital territory and renamed "Brotherhood and Pie", in the spirit of brotherhood and pie.
 
French West Africa unifies…under a Swiss Canton Model, with every tribe having local control, especially financial control over how local taxes are distributed. Monetary Policy, Foreign Affairs, Defense Policy are centralized, most everything else is handled on the local/tribal level.

Well if you're really big on decentralization, just ask for that for all of Africa :p
 
I've stated this before but apparently it hasn't been noticed:

1. Balkanising Africa is incredibly stupid and will serve to make the continent weaker and poorer with more wars than OTL.
2. Believe it or not there are very few ethnic, religious or ideological conflicts in Africa. The vast amount of conflicts are due to greed, corruption or instability.
3. Worldwide smaller countries tend to be poorer countries because they don't have the economies of scale and economic investment from other nations needed to get started and avoid civil violence.

Balkanising Africa is a recipe for utter utter disaster.
 
Well if you're really big on decentralization, just ask for that for all of Africa :p

French language and cultures would help tie West Africa together.
Most hate and discontent is when Area A takes money from Area B for benefit of Area A. Central government NEVER cares as much as locals.

Big reason the USA succeeded was because of our decentralization. Also because new States were NOT admitted as "second-class citizens".

Which could be an interesting AH scenario: What if Original 13 States retained "special" privileges denied to succeeding States...?
 
You can create a Somali confederation: they have to stick together otherwise you're going to have petty statelets like Puntland and Galmudug

No, you would'nt.

Somaliland is the only portion of Somalia that's declared its independence, Puntland and Galmudug are self-declared states (like the states of the U.S.) of Somalia which run their own affairs on acount of the rest of the country having spent 20 years in anarchy.

Besides even if they did their's no reason to oppose it, forcing places to be part of huge polities is a bad thing.


God damnit.

You guys go decide if you want SA balkanized or not. I'll be back when you're done!

We were both agreeing. >.>
 
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No, you would'nt.

Somaliland is the only portion fo Somalia that's declared its independence, Puntland and Galmudug are self-declared states (like the states of the U.S.) of Somalia which runs its own affairs on acount of the rest of the country having spent 20 years in anarchy.

Besides even if they did their's no reason to oppose it, forcing places to be part of huge polities is a bad thing.




We were both agreeing. >.>

Why are you so much in love with Somaliland? those are different states with the same people,same Language, same religion etc... If you have to optimally design a state over there you keep the place united
 
Why are you so much in love with Somaliland? those are different states with the same people,same Language, same religion etc... If you have to optimally design a state over there you keep the place united

Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein and the large majority of Switzerland are the same language, ethnicity and religion, should we force them to be united?

Likewise, Belgium is essentially a French territory and a Dutch territory lumped together, yet no one would ever consider forcing them to join France and the Netherlands, indeed the Flemish (the Dutch half) very much oppose the idea of joining the Netherlands.

Polities should only be created based on what the people living there actually want, not based on shared traits.
 
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