Best outcome for the Chinese

Best-possible POD for the Chinese (post-1898)

  • No Zhang Xun's Restoration in 1917, Li Yuanhong stayed in power, No North-South Split

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  • Liao Zhongkai not assassinated

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  • A successful coup by Lin Biao

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  • Hu Yaobang did not have that interview with Lu, stayed in power until Deng's death

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  • Falun Gong not purged

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  • The Shanghai Gang and Princeling Faction wiped out in the 17th Party Congress (2007)

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  • Total voters
    98
  • Poll closed .
If you're going for his full Japanese name, it's actually "Nakayama Shou".:)
Is it the same character as his Chinese name? I remember that Sun Tzu is called "Son Shi" and Sun Wukong is "Son Goku", so...

After hearing your reason for voting for him, I think you are likely right. I might want to change my vote. Ideological unity slash unity of purpose would probably do more to help China than anything else, even with no change in actual leadership.
It would have been in TTL a different leader after 1925, since Sun wouldn't have died. While he is criticized today for not being the legend he is now made out to be, I think that him being alive as long as he did did have a unifying effect on the RoC.
 
Is it the same character as his Chinese name? I remember that Sun Tzu is called "Son Shi" and Sun Wukong is "Son Goku", so...
The name I am translating is "中山 樵", so I guess the characters are different. It's what Wikipedia gives as his Japanese name. I know Wiki isn't the best source, but a GIS for those characters turns up photos of Sun. I also plugged the woodcutter character into my dictionary to confirm, and its definitely "shou" in Japanese. No idea why they picked those characters, though.:confused:
 
Sun Yat-sen chose the name "Zhongshan" (Nakayama) in Japan as an alias, and it stuck later on. Presumably he chose 樵 as his alternate given name, with Nakayama being the surname (but remembered by the Chinese as his given name). I think that probably makes the most sense. It also answers my question as to why the Dr. apparently picked a Japanese surname as his alternate given name.
 
Sun Yat-sen chose the name "Zhongshan" (Nakayama) in Japan as an alias, and it stuck later on. Presumably he chose 樵 as his alternate given name, with Nakayama being the surname (but remembered by the Chinese as his given name). I think that probably makes the most sense. It also answers my question as to why the Dr. apparently picked a Japanese surname as his alternate given name.

Interesting, thank you.
I presume Chinese audiences took "Zhongshan" to be his given name because it is two characters, and family names are (these days) always only one? Does that name sound "natural" as a given name, or does it sound like a foreigner's name like "馬克" does?:)

I am still curious about where "樵" came from, however. It doesn't strike me as a normal Japanese personal name, even in those days.
 
I chose Yuan Shikai never declaring himself Emperor. I guess because in Hendryk's Superpower Empire TL, He just died as early as his first months of the presidency in 1912, paving the way for K'ang Youwei to become President and then install a new dynasty and China slowly rising into the world stage towards a bipolar world in the 21st century.
 
Sorry for my failure to include the Soong Chiao-jen / Song Jiaoren not assassinated option. I personally have such a TL on HA.com, which is yet to be finished. I'll try to write a long essay / short TL on Guangxu staying in Beijing in 1900, which would be called the "Guangxu Restoration". I would pretty much hope to have someone else writing an excellent TL for an alternate 1898, which is currently leading this poll. I can't simply write a TL on every POD. Hendyrk has so far made the most renowned Chinese TL-ever on online counter-factual communities, followed by Drew's Fear Loathing and Gumbo which focuses a lot on China, as well as awesomely great TLs of tukk323, Rediv, as well as subversivepanda. I would hope to avoid having their PODs on this poll. However, if any of these names or any other talented Chinese historians here could spare some time to write an alternate 1898 TL after finishing theirs, I would pretty much appreciate.
 
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