Best Case Scenario for Islam?

What would be the best case scenario for Islam?


My guess would be a successful push into France, an early capture of Constantinople, and now you have Islam in control of most of Europe. After Constantinople, there was just tribal societies and such (Bulgarian Empire could prove to be a challenge). And with France in their hands and the Balkans in their hand, Italy would fall quickly, and soon the Muslims will be able to discover the New World.
 
What would be the best case scenario for Islam?


My guess would be a successful push into France, an early capture of Constantinople, and now you have Islam in control of most of Europe. After Constantinople, there was just tribal societies and such (Bulgarian Empire could prove to be a challenge). And with France in their hands and the Balkans in their hand, Italy would fall quickly, and soon the Muslims will be able to discover the New World.

It all looks so easy in hindsight, doesn't it?!

I wouldn't describe the Frankish, Visigothic, and Lombard nations as "tribal" at the time of the beginning of the Muslim era. Each had a fairly solid state apparatus, and a developed code of laws.
 
Best case scenario for Islam? It doesn't make the push towards spiritualism, which allows Muslim nations to keep a technological lead.
 

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Maybe that is hold in a more environmentally friendly place? Instead of such a precarious and easily degraded area...
 
It pushes further east in it's beginning, mixes with Buddhism, make it the biggest religion in China and India, and then as in OTL many people around the world will convert to it as they see it as the great peaceful religion.
 
No Mongols, or at least having them be unable to expand beyond China, would do wonders for certain parts of Asia...
 
I suspect that the Ottomans would let the Europeans remain Christian. Forcing Western Europe into dhimmitude is much more profitable than conversion. St. Peter's and at least a few of the basilicas of Rome would be converted into mosques, but I strongly suspect that the Ottomans would preserve the spiritual oversight of the papacy over Western Christianity. Would Protestantism have developed under Ottoman rule?
 
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My guess would be a successful push into France, an early capture of Constantinople, and now you have Islam in control of most of Europe. After Constantinople, there was just tribal societies and such (Bulgarian Empire could prove to be a challenge). And with France in their hands and the Balkans in their hand, Italy would fall quickly, and soon the Muslims will be able to discover the New World.
Just because the Muslims control all of that territory does not mean that this will be a best-case scenario for Islam. In OTL there was a massive amount of infighting between various branches of Islam - the Abbasid extermination of the Umayyad dynasty, Bedouins vs. Berbers in the Maghreb and Al-Andalus, the bloody Qarmatian rebellion, Fatimids vs. Abbasids, factional civil war in ninth-century Baghdad, the various invasions of Persia, etc.

My point is that the expansion into Europe would lead to more Muslims, but not necessarily a better Islam. Assuming the Umayyads still manage to escape to Al-Andalus, ITTL they would have control (at least nominally) of Aquitaine. This would give them a larger base of tribute to potentially fight the Abbasids for control of the Maghreb. A push into Constantinople would similarly provide another base of support for resistance, so ITTL it is possible that internecine warfare in the Muslim world would be much greater.
 
Best scenario is a victory at the 1683 Siege of Vienna.
That, or victories in the battles after the defeat in front of Vienna.

That will stop the Austrians & give time to the Ottomans to retreat & recover.
Another Koprulu will help (which in OTL there was).

Another will be the survival of the Mughal Empire in India.
 
I assume best case scenario means the biggest spread right?

I´d say OTL already has such a wild success for Islam in that regard it almost seems ASB.

If I´d make an ATL with a made up religion that would spread so far within one century it´d be called ASB, (and perhaps should be).

Anyway, despite that Islam could have spread further:

1. Defeat the franks and invade France.
2. I believe Flocculencio made a TL where England converted to Islam. Seemed a bit implausible to me, but with luck anything is possible.
3. Russia could have converted to Islam.
4. If France and Southern Italy were Muslim, if Russia and England were Muslim then the vikings would definitely convert to Islam. Christianity would become a minor sect in Europe just like in the middle east, with some more luck.
5. More success in India. Already Islam was quite successful, think of Pakistan and all the millions of Muslims living in India today. But I´m sure a Pod could be thought of.
6. Ethiopia might be converted with a successful invasion.
7. Maybe instead of no mongol scenario, have the mongols convert to Islam. Some did OTL, and other nomads. Think of the Moghuls. If the mongols were fanatical about spreading Islam they could maybe convert a lot of Chinese. No?
8. There might be some Pods that would offer a more successful branching of Islam in China.
9. Muslim Mongols crush Korea and Manchuria. Manchus become Muslims. Also a successful invasion of Japan.

Obviously such a widespread of Islam would increase sectarianism. Japanese, Chinese, western European, Indian and Korean versions might arise.

This is of course a total Islam wank scenario.
 
The interesting thing is that the best case scenario for Islam is not the same as the best case scenario for Islamic States. What do I mean? Well, the best case scenario for Islamic states is to retain a significant minority of non-muslim peoples of the book. You're looking for a balance between having enough dhimmi to bring in significant tax receipts but not enough to be an actual internal threat to the state.

The best case scenario for Islam however requires the maximum number of converts possible - this goes against the interests of the states as stated earlier. So the best case scenario for Islam requires rulers who will put their religion before their own personal interests.
 
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