Best case sceanario for Germany: when should Hitler die?

On the idea of Hitler being removed from power in 1938, there was a great deal of dissent within the more conservative and realistic German high command. Economists like Krogisk and Schact made very good arguments against Hitler's push for early war against the West. But at that point, the man that they consulted with to potentially remove Hitler was Goering. Goering who had been in charge of the purges against the SA, he was also extremely ambitious.

Goering taking over seems to make sense, because he would probably act as a transition between a National Socialist nation and perhaps a more Monarchist or classically conservative nation. I don't know about the Monarchists so that seems more far fetched to me. Though Goering was very crazy in his own way, he could try to push a monarch.

As to a way to save germany, I would kill Hitler by a tornado or sudden earthquake while he was in the room with people like Schact, Bruening, and Papen. Hitler didn't turn Germany totalitarian by himself, so the more that are taken out the better.
 
It takes much more divergence to save Weimar than to kill Hitler. His death in 1918 or 1923 in all likelihood changes the successor regime to Weimar from the Nazi to a different, saner kind of right-wing authoritarian regime. OTOH, Hitler's death in 1938 in all likelihood still defaults to a military junta after a brief infighting interlude between Nazi leaders.

And under a saner right-wing government completely distinct from the Nazis and with Hitler long dead by 1925, Germany likely retains more of its technical expertise and intellectual class that was lost as a result of the Nazi policies implemented in our timeline. The consequences of fascist or similar governments in Germany and Italy both indifferent/favorable (rather than hostile) to Jews could be quite interesting down the line.
 
It takes much more divergence to save Weimar than to kill Hitler. His death in 1918 or 1923 in all likelihood changes the successor regime to Weimar from the Nazi to a different, saner kind of right-wing authoritarian regime.

Or a Spanish situation.
 
And under a saner right-wing government completely distinct from the Nazis and with Hitler long dead by 1925, Germany likely retains more of its technical expertise and intellectual class that was lost as a result of the Nazi policies implemented in our timeline. The consequences of fascist or similar governments in Germany and Italy both indifferent/favorable (rather than hostile) to Jews could be quite interesting down the line.

In your scenario there will still be a massive brain drain from Germany because the intellectual class is often where the dissent comes from - and if Einstein&Co have to flee Germany or end up in a "reeducation" camp because they critisized the government (as opposed to being Jewish) they are still lost. Italy lost a great deal of the technical and scientific expertise well before they sucked up to Hitler and implemented racist laws.

Also any "sane" but undemocratic right-wing (or left wing) government tends to evolve into oppressive dictatorship if not peacefully removed from power early enough. A few years in power to consolidate the country and break the radical groups may be a good idea.. but then they have to go.
 
In your scenario there will still be a massive brain drain from Germany because the intellectual class is often where the dissent comes from - and if Einstein&Co have to flee Germany or end up in a "reeducation" camp because they critisized the government (as opposed to being Jewish) they are still lost. Italy lost a great deal of the technical and scientific expertise well before they sucked up to Hitler and implemented racist laws.

Also any "sane" but undemocratic right-wing (or left wing) government tends to evolve into oppressive dictatorship if not peacefully removed from power early enough. A few years in power to consolidate the country and break the radical groups may be a good idea.. but then they have to go.

Fair point. I suppose it will come down to whether Germany goes soft authoritarian or hard authoritarian and whether or not it respects the independence of the military or fills its command structure with partisan buffoons like Mussolini did.
 
in 1964, in his own painting studio, while giving his last strokes to the famuos "Lebensraum" landscape painting, truly the masterpiece of his long and appreciated artistic career as a painter.

funny one, the one that Rast devised in his 'a shift of priorities' timeline is also rather funny. Hitler marries an Armenian woman and turns into a fat restaurant chain owner.
 
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