Redbeard
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But could they coordinate their forces well enough to concentrate on Napoleon when he was alone, or on his subordinates? I would also like to point out that Davout is probably the best general of the Napoleonic wars. It will be harder trapping and killing him than it was against, say, Ney. In fact, if the allies try to replay the 1813 campaigns, they will get bloodied against him fairly quickly. And if they try to replay 1814 instead, I see the eagle rising again. In that case, the seperated allied armies, each hungry for glory, would be in danger of Napoleon cuting them off and cutting them up.
You're dreaming. Since 1806 Napoleon hadn't seriously cut any army up, but in this ATL he will need Jena-Auerstedt, Ulm or Austerlitz victories in close succession to prevail.
Actually, I am not. I was refering to the German campaigns of 1813, which included Leipzig. If it came out wrong, my apologies, but the point stands. Napoleon with his cavalry is much more dangerous than Napoleon without it.
Of course Napoleon with cavalry is more dangerous than Napoleon without, but he obviously wasn't dangerous enough in autumn of 1813, when he had a full complement of cavalry, much of it Guard.
I beg to differ. As one example, the allies who had just recieved over 150,000 reinforcements to 14,000 French, were unable to truly defeat the french. To quote wikipedia:
And if the allies could not gain a decisive advantage over Napoleon until the bridge was destroyed, I would not say that they were running it. So claiming that the allies will crush Napoleon in a rerun of the battle is a little rash.
Regards,
Atreus
Please Atreus, Wikipedia alone will not convince many on this board. It is OK to get an overview or to start a closer investigation, buy anyway your quote doesn't negate that Napoleon was forced to leave not only the battlefield (classical definition of defeat) but Germany for good (a decisive strategic defeat). On the 1813 and 1814 campaigns I especially will recommend works from before 1850, von Sporschill is one good example that comes to memory, but you will need to read German incl. gothic writing.
That the allies did not overrun the main French force was perhaps becausze they did not intend to. The allied strategy was one of cautiously applying ever more force until breaking the enemy, and not risking to be caught out on a limp. They had tried that several times but now knew very well that caution paid off vs. Napoleon. In many ways the allied stratgey in late Napoleon wars are similar to those of the allied in WWII, and Schwarzenberg's job similar to that of Eisenhower. And like Blitzkrieg being a blunted weapon by late WWII Napoleon's earlier monopoly on permanent armycorps, march separately and strike united etc. was broken by 1809.
If you like to think of Napoleon winning Leipzig it is OK for me, and had the allied command been less keen in their cautious determination, he might have had a chance, but as it was it was a very minor chance. Perhaps if the allies had won a tactical victory at Dresden and become overly self-confident Napoleon would have had a fair chance of anihilating at least one of the allied armies, but I'm not sure that would be enough to win the war (I would however like to see Bernadotte throughly trashed - and yes I know he is one of the ancestors to the present Danish Royal House, but Bernadotte just seem like one who deserve a good thrashing).
Regards
Steffen Redbeard