Berlin Blockade Leads to ww3: What happens to Germany?

Assuming the West is able to win, what do the German borders look like? Could Germany regain Its eastern territories? How long would the occupation last? Apologies if this is a dumb question btw I rarely say anything here but I thought I’d give it a try by asking a question I’ve had for a while
 
It was 1948, so not nearly enough nukes to irradiate the planet. We'd lose several major European and Soviet cities, tops, maybe a few important US military bases in Europe.

After that, however, it was going to be an ugly war. Germany would be the primary battleground, especially so close after the end of WW2 and the near complete annihilation of its industrial capacities and infrastructure. Quite simply, when the war's over, it'll be a miracle if there's a Germany intact.

Allied victory is more likely, but not a given, especially with superior Soviet numbers and better tank tactics, and the memory of what the Nazis did in WW2 will drive the Soviets to prevent a war in their territory at any cost. It might end in a truce, but it would be an especially bloody and ruinous truce. A victory would be only slightly better, if not worse. America would be bloodied, Europe ruined, the USSR in shambles. China's ascension to world power is sped up on account of everyone else having a hard time in the 1950s, but that's dependent on Mao not being an idiot.
 
Well, since the US would have more advantages than the USSR (mostly in the WMD department), Germany would fair a lot better than the USSR would. Then again, Germany's reconstruction had just begun before the Berlin Blockade happened, so that doesn't mean much.
 
Possibly 1937 borders sans East Prussia.

Depends on how the war goes. If it’s a long one where the Germans are allowed to fight in the millions they will be ‘redeemed’ in the eyes of London and Washington with the help of wartime propaganda meaning yes probably a sizable though even more wrecked Germany results if the Allies win.

It would be interesting to see what happens with Austria as I see them being overrun pretty quickly and at least this point their identity was pretty heavily amalgamated with Germany.
 
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Depends on how the war goes. If it’s a long one where the Germans are allowed to fight in the millions they will be ‘redeemed’ in the eyes of London and Washington with the help of wartime propaganda meaning yes probably a sizable though even more wrecked Germany results.

It would be interesting to see what happens with Austria as I see them being overrun pretty quickly and at least this point their identity was pretty heavily amalgamated with Germany.

Well into the 1950s Silesia was still pretty German, and it wasn't until the 1970s that West Germany gave up on reclaiming the lost territories. I'd imagine they'll get at least something, especially if, as you say, they take an active participation in the war.
 

FBKampfer

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USSR likely gets its teeth kicked in. They hadn't fully recovered from their horrific losses, and they're trying to supply armies over already fucked up infrastructure, with an effectively unstoppable USAAF hammering them nonstop.

Oh sure, there'll be some lead up before things get going full swing. But even barring the numbers disparity, the USAAF are RAF had a much greater capacity to move ordnance.

You'd need about 3 IL-10's to match one P-51, and the P-51 wasn't even a mud mover. It max configuration, you'd need 9 to match a P-38L, or about 6 to break even with an F4U or P-47.

Not to mention their crap tanks, lack of APC's, and horrific problems with rolling stock and engines.
 
USSR likely gets its teeth kicked in. They hadn't fully recovered from their horrific losses, and they're trying to supply armies over already fucked up infrastructure, with an effectively unstoppable USAAF hammering them nonstop.

The early part of the war likely goes poorly for the West given how deeply they cut post war until the arsenal of democracy gets going again.
 
Europe likely gets overrun in a short time with low US and British troop numbers compared to the soviets and the rest of europe still not having what you'd call functioning militaries yet. Then you'd get continuous US nuclear strikes with the outcome of that uncertain.
 
Then you'd get continuous US nuclear strikes with the outcome of that uncertain.
Oh, it's certain. Just like the Bombing of Japan, eventually SAC will run out of places to bomb by 1955 or so, even if the Red Army dipped its toes in the Channel.

If Hitler couldn't invade, neither could Uncle Joe. UK becomes Airstrip One.
 

Ramontxo

Donor
And Franco gets his wet dreams come true. With American British and Commonwealth reinforments disembarking in Spain to arrange a Pyrinees front. "El Salvador de Occidente"
 
6 words, massive use of tactical nuclear warheads
in the late Forties, there was no difference in warheads, just where they were dropped.
1948
USA USSR
110 0
1949
USA USSR
235 1
1950
USA USSR
369 5

As soon as there is a shooting war, US warhead could will get higher than OTL, while the Soviets rally can't accelerate much over OTL
Joe-1 wasn't a deployable weapon, no more than Gadget was.
They didn't do a drop test till Joe-3 in October 1951, with Joe-2 a Tower shot the month before. These designs were improved Fatman composite core style pits, with higher yields 38-48kt

Most all of the 1948 production of mk3 'Fatman' bombs were remaufactured in 1950
 
Responses for 48 Berlin look about right if shooting started, USSR rushes towards channel then Truman orders the A Bomb used. But what about the 61 blockade when the Wall went up? Kennedy ordered ground troops to drive to Berlin on the AutoBond. Trucks were let through but what if?




Assuming the West is able to win, what do the German borders look like? Could Germany regain Its eastern territories? How long would the occupation last? Apologies if this is a dumb question btw I rarely say anything here but I thought I’d give it a try by asking a question I’ve had for a while
 
Europe likely gets overrun in a short time with low US and British troop numbers compared to the soviets and the rest of europe still not having what you'd call functioning militaries yet. Then you'd get continuous US nuclear strikes with the outcome of that uncertain.

The outcome is simple. Uncle Joe gets a 9mm headache after someone can't take it anymore when he refuses to surrender at the "City a Week" stage. Whoever ends up in charge after that power struggle surrenders.
 
The outcome is simple. Uncle Joe gets a 9mm headache after someone can't take it anymore when he refuses to surrender at the "City a Week" stage. Whoever ends up in charge after that power struggle surrenders.
*Nuclear Weapons intensify *
 
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