So I have been reading about how close Belgium came to disolving itself and splitting into two pieces, Flanders and Wallonia. Is it possible to have a Pod no earlier than 2000 and have the split. I don't particularly care if either part joins the Netherlands/ France... but bonus points if they do. What would be the repercussions of this?
Belgium Split
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Belgium is an artificial country and I'm pretty sure it will no longer exist in 2020. Be patient
???what???cubefreak123
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I'm going to go with you're just kidding around on this.Belgium is an artificial country and I'm pretty sure it will no longer exist in 2020. Be patient
To the OP, the best time is WW2 as the government was divided. The elected government wanted to fight on but the monarchy resigned themselves to German rule. There are several posts in the timeline "How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms" that details Belgium falling apart along these lines.
Recent scientific researches show that the most other countries were the result of natural selection as well as human selection.
The farmer Gerold H. Hanson for exemple was the first to grow "France" on his farm in 1824.
Belgium on the other hand is just a genetically heavily modified version of "Switzerland".
What country isn't artificial and what country is natural?Belgium is an artificial country and I'm pretty sure it will no longer exist in 2020. Be patient
Belgium snuff threads are common hereabouts but with a PoD on or after 2000 is a little bold. Even with the government crisis a few years back and all the talk of partition I don't see it that Belgium was ever close to actually split up in the past years. It's just such a headache to actually go through with it...
This is even less likely considering that Walloon Rattachism and Flemish Orangism are such fringe movements nowadays.
agree here, they probably just keep continuing, it is a matter of the devil you know. only way if it can happen if there is a political block big enough to push it through, and prepared to take the chance (most likely some flemish one).
Of course the discussion where the bilingual areas & disputed language areas go might take a decade or so to agree on. (although it could even lead to the european governmental zone (=brussels) directly under european govt.
flanders merging with the netherlands, not that likely, more some expanded benelux kind of deal, maybe a joint military (but it is moving in that direction already anyways) and cooperation in some other areas.
Of course the discussion where the bilingual areas & disputed language areas go might take a decade or so to agree on. (although it could even lead to the european governmental zone (=brussels) directly under european govt.
flanders merging with the netherlands, not that likely, more some expanded benelux kind of deal, maybe a joint military (but it is moving in that direction already anyways) and cooperation in some other areas.
Will Kürlich Kerl
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I somehow doubt that, since the Netherlands were originally also an artificial creation. (It was originally part of Burgandy)
Can you explain that to me? Is Canada artificial or India or Switzerland?
And what is a "natural" state?
AussieHawker
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I think he means a state that is mostly the same ethnic or Culture while Belgium has two different ones while the Netherlands has one.
By that definition Canada, India, Switzerland, the US, Britain ae artificial state since there aren't only one ethnicity...
Kitiem3000
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The thing that will destroy Belgium is a lack of pressure.
If you look at the recent governmental crisis you have to consider that this took place in a world where Belgium has no natural enemies, is surrounded by friendly allies, has no pressing international commitments and in a pretty sweet economy.
The rising calls for independence in Europe come from smaller regions that wouldn't have been viable nation states if Europe was still divided and hostility was possible. But now after ~70 years of peace most people that remember differently are dying off.
Belgium is one of the best nations to cut in two. Both sides speak another language, have a troubled history co-existing and don't like each other all that much.
The thing that will then push the Flemish back toward the Netherlands and the Walloons to France will be rising instability and hostility in Europe and the world. When bigger nation states will have the advantage over smaller ones in a very real way once more. The first war between European countries in the age of 24h TV news could really energise the few remaining orangists.
If you look at the recent governmental crisis you have to consider that this took place in a world where Belgium has no natural enemies, is surrounded by friendly allies, has no pressing international commitments and in a pretty sweet economy.
The rising calls for independence in Europe come from smaller regions that wouldn't have been viable nation states if Europe was still divided and hostility was possible. But now after ~70 years of peace most people that remember differently are dying off.
Belgium is one of the best nations to cut in two. Both sides speak another language, have a troubled history co-existing and don't like each other all that much.
The thing that will then push the Flemish back toward the Netherlands and the Walloons to France will be rising instability and hostility in Europe and the world. When bigger nation states will have the advantage over smaller ones in a very real way once more. The first war between European countries in the age of 24h TV news could really energise the few remaining orangists.
Kitiem3000
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Good point. A war with at least one West-European country then. Some country of which most people know the name. Everything between Italy and Greece is kind of a black hole to most people.
Belgium didn't have a government for 5 years thanks to the EU- well that's what UKIP claim.
I know that Belgium had a pretty big constitutional crisis in 1950 when they had a referendum about bringing back the king Leopold III, I think that Wallonia voted against it but the more upper class rural esque areas like Flanders voted for him to return.
Maybe have one half monarchist (flanders) and one half republic with closer ties to the French (wallonia)
I know that Belgium had a pretty big constitutional crisis in 1950 when they had a referendum about bringing back the king Leopold III, I think that Wallonia voted against it but the more upper class rural esque areas like Flanders voted for him to return.
Maybe have one half monarchist (flanders) and one half republic with closer ties to the French (wallonia)