BEF is captured at Dunkirk - How does Churchill respond to a Ransom-for-Peace?

BEF is captured at Dunkirk - How does Churchill respond to a Ransom-for-Peace?

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Any chance of insisting on Jewish immigration as part of the deal? Australia had been willing to create a homeland, or the old chestnut the M plan. Terrible but better than mass murder.
 
Any chance of insisting on Jewish immigration as part of the deal? Australia had been willing to create a homeland, or the old chestnut the M plan. Terrible but better than mass murder.

Take a look at the attitudes towards Jewish emmigration from Germany from 1933-39. A study on the number of German Jews applying for entry to other nations vs the number accepted may provide some clues about your question. Another clue would be to study what happened to those who did manage to make to Belgium, France, Britain, ect...
 

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Take a look at the attitudes towards Jewish emmigration from Germany from 1933-39. A study on the number of German Jews applying for entry to other nations vs the number accepted may provide some clues about your question. Another clue would be to study what happened to those who did manage to make to Belgium, France, Britain, ect...
What did happen to the ones in Britain? After all, Britain was never occupied by the Nazis.
 
What did happen to the ones in Britain? After all, Britain was never occupied by the Nazis.
Pretty mixed. Many (most) were interned for a short period of time, but were mostly released after the invasion panic was over and people started using their brains. After that most ended up in the armed forces in one way or another, usually under an assumed name to protect them, and often distinguishing themselves. Afterwards they typically integrated into the UK, with perhaps the most famous of their number designing this:
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Churchill's only been Prime Minister for about three weeks when the Battle of Dunkirk would have ended. He has no political or public capital upon which to push on.
And the only military operation he was responsible for prior to becoming PM was the complete balls up that was Norway, which if added to the Gallipoli fiasco from WWI paints a very dubious picture of the man's competence.
 
Churchill's only been Prime Minister for about three weeks when the Battle of Dunkirk would have ended. He has no political or public capital upon which to push on. He will accept the soldiers' return for peace or be chucked out.

And the only military operation he was responsible for prior to becoming PM was the complete balls up that was Norway, which if added to the Gallipoli fiasco from WWI paints a very dubious picture of the man's competence.

Clearly both of you missed 2016 because that is not how politics works. He was remembered as the guy who said this would happen and we should do something about it, there is his political capital. He was not blamed for making a mess in Noway (a sort of justice for others messing up his Gallipoli idea) and besides the man who had also messed up Norway and France and Czechoslovakia and Spain and the Rhineland and let's face it in Britain for a long, long time...Chamberlain had already absorbed the opprobrium for that.

The fact he actually turned out to be not entirely bad at his new job was a happy accident he got the job because people wanted to fight and he was the most vocal of the folks with fighting talk. It would take much more than an expected defeat to reduce that.
 
I think some people need remedial reading on British politics, from Parliment to the electorate. There are some weird assumptions in a number of these posts. Maybe its the History Channel at work again.
 
Not really. The local leaders made to many bone headed decisions. Anyone in distant London trying to reverse every bad call by the men on the spot would have created a worse micromanaging mess.
 
Malaya was the fault of the commanders who ha convinced themselves they were beaten before the first shot was fired. Greece however and its effect on the Western Dessert campaign can be laid mainly at Churchill's feat.
 
The time line of this confuses me:

Regardless of cabinet crisis or how many troops are evacuated from Dunkirk, France is still fighting in late May, the French have not asked for terms yet. Perhaps the French might still hold Paris so no need to ask for terms yet. Now once the French ask for terms, the British might too, but no offer of a joint French/British government might occur etc. So this British terms request would be mid June at earliest????? (it seems a joint British/French armistice terms request might achieve better results than individual requests).

As far as the battle itself: With the coast cut off, do the French from the outside the ring make another do or die effort to break in and meet up with the pocket from the inside now fighting for their lives to break out. How solid is the German ring at this point, could the British attempt to break through in small groups to the main French army?

Is Ostend an option to evacuate through?
 
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